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Re: GitHub Copilot code review will start consuming GitHub Actions minutes

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Post by BadBadJellyBean »

libraryofbabel wrote: post #129
BadBadJellyBean wrote: post #122

We are slowly inching closer to the point where AI and AI products will be billed for what they cost. We are currently living in the heavily discounted world where everything subsidized to the point where a lot of it is free. It seems like they can't or won't keep that up anymore. My prediction is that whenever one of the big companies raise their prices or move features to higher tiers others will follow soon. They…

This is already happening. For new Anthropic enterprise accounts you are billed at api token prices (maybe with a small volume discount). Anthropic makes a profit on those tokens. (Sure, that profit does not cover the model training costs, but that’s a separate issue.) It’s the subscriptions for individuals (e.g. Claude Max) that are still subsidized below cost. > I wonder if managers will be as excited about AI when…

> Sure, that profit does not cover the model training costs, but that’s a separate issue.

I don't think it is. At some point they have to make money and they can't do that if the token cost doesn't include ALL the costs. Someone has to pay for that at some point. And someone has to pay for the subsidized subscribers. So no. API token prices don't reflect the real price. They are still subsidized. Just in a different way.

Re: GitHub Copilot code review will start consuming GitHub Actions minutes

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Post by CodingJeebus »

libraryofbabel wrote: post #129
BadBadJellyBean wrote: post #122

We are slowly inching closer to the point where AI and AI products will be billed for what they cost. We are currently living in the heavily discounted world where everything subsidized to the point where a lot of it is free. It seems like they can't or won't keep that up anymore. My prediction is that whenever one of the big companies raise their prices or move features to higher tiers others will follow soon. They…

This is already happening. For new Anthropic enterprise accounts you are billed at api token prices (maybe with a small volume discount). Anthropic makes a profit on those tokens. (Sure, that profit does not cover the model training costs, but that’s a separate issue.) It’s the subscriptions for individuals (e.g. Claude Max) that are still subsidized below cost. > I wonder if managers will be as excited about AI when…

They may be for now. Problem is that when foundation model pricing goes up, you're paying not just the increase in tokens you consume directly, but also for all tokens you're consuming via vendors as well.

If your company has Figma, Github, and Cursor and they're using the same models you are, your monthly costs with them increase as well. You're exposed N times to the foundation model price increases, where N is the number of times software you directly or indirectly use talks to a frontier model.

Re: GitHub Copilot code review will start consuming GitHub Actions minutes

#133

Post by pphysch »

BadBadJellyBean wrote: post #122

We are slowly inching closer to the point where AI and AI products will be billed for what they cost. We are currently living in the heavily discounted world where everything subsidized to the point where a lot of it is free. It seems like they can't or won't keep that up anymore. My prediction is that whenever one of the big companies raise their prices or move features to higher tiers others will follow soon. They…

Slowly inching? GitHub Copilot announced 600%+ price increases for many workflows, with others being potentially 100x more expensive due to the change from request to token based billing.

Re: GitHub Copilot code review will start consuming GitHub Actions minutes

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Post by georgel »

duxup wrote: post #118
breakpointalpha wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I had a magic wand, I would enforce an internet-wide separation of human activity metrics from bots. I want to know how many real humans read my post, commented, shared etc. Clankers can keep their own counts.

Reddit is slowly dying for me for that reason. So many bot / bot like accounts that seem ... off / hidden histories. Trust level with any given comment or post now is reaching 0 fast. It's a bummer because it's hitting a lot of users and even valid users who don't communicate good are getting hit hard too with skeptical responses.

The irony of Reddit's early days was that it was bootstrapped with fake accounts run by the founder.

Re: GitHub Copilot code review will start consuming GitHub Actions minutes

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Post by Leynos »

o10449366 wrote: post #96
Leynos wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not that I give much credence to anything Zitron says, but the amount of inference you can get on a £200 a month OpenAI or Anthropic subscription is easily an order of magnitude more than what you'd get paying the same amount at subscription rate. Although I would also point out that OpenAI recently tripled the amount of Codex inference you get per month for £200 (and to head off the suggestion, this is distinct from…

Yeah, I'm sure the numbers are a bit inflated compared to API, but with my Claude $200/month subscription I've supposedly consumed 12,160,410,828 tokens in April for a cost of $22,733.03.

Is that taking cache hits into account?

Re: GitHub Copilot code review will start consuming GitHub Actions minutes

#136

Post by Leynos »

paulddraper wrote: post #17
Leynos wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not that I give much credence to anything Zitron says, but the amount of inference you can get on a £200 a month OpenAI or Anthropic subscription is easily an order of magnitude more than what you'd get paying the same amount at subscription rate. Although I would also point out that OpenAI recently tripled the amount of Codex inference you get per month for £200 (and to head off the suggestion, this is distinct from…

*more than what you'd get paying the same amount at usage rate.

Yes, thanks. Too late to edit now, sadly.

Re: GitHub Copilot code review will start consuming GitHub Actions minutes

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Post by BadBadJellyBean »

pphysch wrote: post #133
BadBadJellyBean wrote: post #122

We are slowly inching closer to the point where AI and AI products will be billed for what they cost. We are currently living in the heavily discounted world where everything subsidized to the point where a lot of it is free. It seems like they can't or won't keep that up anymore. My prediction is that whenever one of the big companies raise their prices or move features to higher tiers others will follow soon. They…

Slowly inching? GitHub Copilot announced 600%+ price increases for many workflows, with others being potentially 100x more expensive due to the change from request to token based billing.

With how intransparent everything in the AI world is I have no idea how far away we are from the "real" prices. Might be a gallop or maybe it's much worse than we think and we are still just inching. We'll see. Exciting times. If you like to see the world burn.

Re: GitHub Copilot code review will start consuming GitHub Actions minutes

#138

Post by ericmcer »

BadBadJellyBean wrote: post #122

We are slowly inching closer to the point where AI and AI products will be billed for what they cost. We are currently living in the heavily discounted world where everything subsidized to the point where a lot of it is free. It seems like they can't or won't keep that up anymore. My prediction is that whenever one of the big companies raise their prices or move features to higher tiers others will follow soon. They…

It is already bafflingly expensive. I interviewed at a place recently where they said the average dev was hitting $2k/mo in Claude code costs.

That is no longer a helpful tool... it costs like ~15% of an actual dev.

Even if it is helping, is it actually... making things better or building anything truly important? The issue seems way too nuanced to spend $2k/mo. Not to mention the entire tech industry floats on hype and imaginary goal posts so now what? Devs can hurdle towards those faster and more mindlessly?

Re: GitHub Copilot code review will start consuming GitHub Actions minutes

#139

Post by ericmcer »

libraryofbabel wrote: post #129
BadBadJellyBean wrote: post #122

We are slowly inching closer to the point where AI and AI products will be billed for what they cost. We are currently living in the heavily discounted world where everything subsidized to the point where a lot of it is free. It seems like they can't or won't keep that up anymore. My prediction is that whenever one of the big companies raise their prices or move features to higher tiers others will follow soon. They…

This is already happening. For new Anthropic enterprise accounts you are billed at api token prices (maybe with a small volume discount). Anthropic makes a profit on those tokens. (Sure, that profit does not cover the model training costs, but that’s a separate issue.) It’s the subscriptions for individuals (e.g. Claude Max) that are still subsidized below cost. > I wonder if managers will be as excited about AI when…

"Engineering time is very expensive"

I always wondered about this statement, like we are generally salaried and there is so many variables that affect how I spend my "time". None of us are machines that can do X work per day and our managers get to slice it as they see fit. Pull a dev off a project they love and throw them onto something they hate and suddenly X is diminished greatly.

I would almost predict that reshaping our workflow to be: "prompt, wait, approve changes." results in losses because it is such a mentally tiring workflow and drills into our brains the desire for the LLM to "just fix it". It is the next level of just moving tickets to completed all day.

Re: GitHub Copilot code review will start consuming GitHub Actions minutes

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Post by Aurornis »

ericmcer wrote: post #138
BadBadJellyBean wrote: post #122

We are slowly inching closer to the point where AI and AI products will be billed for what they cost. We are currently living in the heavily discounted world where everything subsidized to the point where a lot of it is free. It seems like they can't or won't keep that up anymore. My prediction is that whenever one of the big companies raise their prices or move features to higher tiers others will follow soon. They…

It is already bafflingly expensive. I interviewed at a place recently where they said the average dev was hitting $2k/mo in Claude code costs. That is no longer a helpful tool... it costs like ~15% of an actual dev. Even if it is helping, is it actually... making things better or building anything truly important? The issue seems way too nuanced to spend $2k/mo. Not to mention the entire tech industry floats on hype…

> That is no longer a helpful tool... it costs like ~15% of an actual dev.

The full cost of each employee is more than their salary. The common estimate is 1.4X their salary due to all of the employer-paid taxes, benefits, and other things.

So even $2K/month of token costs would only be around 10% of the cost of a mid-range developer cost.

It doesn't have to increase productivity much to justify the cost.

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