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If more than 50% press blue, everyone survives. Red pressers always survive

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Re: If more than 50% press blue, everyone survives. Red pressers always survive

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Post by paufernandez »

polotics wrote: post #91
imoverclocked wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There will always be someone who chooses blue. Choosing red is choosing to kill them.

I fail to see how anyone could choose blue, the certain scenario is everyone chooses red, and this whole post is a nothingburger.

To me, the whole point of the riddle is that it reveals the most internal bias towards either yourself or others, meaning that you do things for society or for yourself. Blues don't understand reds, reds don't understand blues. The bias is invisible to the self but it is clearly there given the huge contrast in the opinions of people.

Re: If more than 50% press blue, everyone survives. Red pressers always survive

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Post by gpm »

troglodytetrain wrote: post #75
DetroitThrow wrote: post #61

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>The simple answer is everyone should pick red. The simplest answer is that everyone should pick blue, actually. This is because choosing blue results in no consequences, but choosing red does result in consequences. Why not choose the simple option? It's literally the "no consequences" button. Seems like these reds are overcomplicating a simple question.

Please explain. Red guarantees safety. Why wouldn't everyone pick red? The only option that leads to a statistical chance of death is blue?

The only option that leads to a statistical chance of murder though is red.

Re: If more than 50% press blue, everyone survives. Red pressers always survive

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Post by jmilloy »

owenpalmer wrote: post #35
hx8 wrote: post #17

Hello, Blue Presser here. We learn something about humanity based on the results of the poll. It's naive to think that 100% of people will press the red button. Some people will die if red wins. I think pressing red is selfish and violent, in that it can result in the death of human life by their own unwillingness to cooperate. If we are not willing to work together in order to protect each other then I have a very p…

> It's naive to think that 100% of people will press the red button. Those who press the blue button are trying to save those who press the blue button. If they weren't trying to save each other, they wouldn't have to.

No, some of those who press the blue button are trying to save people who press the blue button for other reasons.

Re: If more than 50% press blue, everyone survives. Red pressers always survive

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Post by rayiner »

throwaway173738 wrote: post #127
ertgbnm wrote: post #82

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I think most of the people who pick blue would be empathic, loving people that are just kind of bad at game theory. I don't think I want to live in a world in which they all died out.

There’s no bad outcome for choosing red. The empathetic option is to convince everyone to vote red and that choosing blue is dumb.

The “chose blue” option weaponizes empathy to get people to make a counter-productive choice. If everyone follows their own rational self interest, then everyone wins.

Re: If more than 50% press blue, everyone survives. Red pressers always survive

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Post by 1659447091 »

enoint wrote: post #114
1659447091 wrote: post #70

These are so intensely annoying. Besides the obvious choice of not pushing any button, so very rarely -- if at all -- are there only ever 2 options. The entire "thought experiment" leans into some fantastical unrealistic scenarios and plays on peoples "fast thinking" by saying here are 2 options I made up, tell me which of these 2 groups (us or them) shall I sort you into? Neither.

I thought about the ternary choice. Unconscious people, conscientious objectors, etc. The wording is that blue needs to exceed 50%, so the doomsday machine defaults to red.

The only winning move is not to play.

Re: If more than 50% press blue, everyone survives. Red pressers always survive

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Post by throwaway173738 »

hypeatei wrote: post #115
xenocratus wrote: post #80

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Let me rephrase that for you: red is for people who live in this world and accept it, blue is for people with white knight syndrome. OR. Red is for people who understand statistics, blue is for people who like to gamble.

> red is for people who live in this world and accept it Red is for people who don't think beyond the end of their nose. Okay, you're very smart and understand statistics, but what about the following groups: friends, family, spouses? If they don't pick red, and they die, would you say life is completely fine because there's less "dumb" people or would you possibly think: "hmm, it kinda sucks that they died, maybe I…

If this was a real thing I’d pick red and then stand outside the red/blue clinic with a sign urging everyone to pick red.

Re: If more than 50% press blue, everyone survives. Red pressers always survive

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Post by rayiner »

enoint wrote: post #100
owenpalmer wrote: post #78

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Is it worse? Wouldn't the red people end up with more like-minded red people?

Yes and yes. Without the core of blue workers, red people will need to open Atlas Shrugged about how to assign short order cook duty.

I don’t think short order cooks are know for being that especially emphatic. Along with most of the folks who “do stuff”—build roads, maintain power lines, etc.

Re: If more than 50% press blue, everyone survives. Red pressers always survive

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Post by edelkas »

rbren wrote: post #9

Considerations: * many people (at least toddlers, people with dementia) are going to press blue roughly by accident. See the lizardman constant * other people will not want to be responsible for any deaths and will press blue out of a sense of moral imperative * many other people are going to take this into account and vote blue out of hopes we can save everyone You should vote blue.

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Re: If more than 50% press blue, everyone survives. Red pressers always survive

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Post by jerkstate »

riffraff wrote: post #123
ertgbnm wrote: post #54

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The downside of redding is that some portion of the world probably dies and you now have to live in that worse world that if you and 50% of the rest of the world has just blued, would not have happened.

But why would those pick blue? They have the same incentive to just pick red.

I wonder if red choosers really don’t understand that they are choosing to live in a world where half of all people, the more selfless half, are dead. It’s like living through a nuclear war except all of the nice people are gone, not just a random sample
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