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The abandoned war: Why no one is stopping the genocide in Sudan

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Re: The abandoned war: Why no one is stopping the genocide in Sudan

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nixon_why69 wrote: post #128
ResPublica wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I appreciate your feedback and understand your criticism. I'll be sure to add more detail in future analyses. My main goal was to draw attention to this matter.

I almost commented before realizing I hadn't RTFA and deleting my draft in shame. Having read it, how are UAE and the Saudis opposing each other in this proxy war while being nearly joined at the hip in their actual neighborhood? Your article was informative and I learned from reading it but this whole dynamic still makes zero sense to me. They don't talk? Maybe it makes zero sense to anyone.

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Re: The abandoned war: Why no one is stopping the genocide in Sudan

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Post by throwaway27448 »

hollerith wrote: post #65
atwrk wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean the share of civilians killed in the war (by Israel) is over 80 percent of the total casualties. That is worse than the rate in WW2. In Ukraine it's under 5%. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Gaza_war

I deplore current Israeli policies, but Ukraine isn't disguising its war fighters as civilians like Hamas is, which is an important qualifier to your numbers.

I don't see how that's relevant, nor why such a distinction matters in such an asymmetric conflict where international law clearly allows for violent resistance to occupation.

Re: The abandoned war: Why no one is stopping the genocide in Sudan

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Post by throwaway27448 »

Drakim wrote: post #46
throwaway27448 wrote: post #24

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You can develop a country without extracting its wealth.

Can you? When our economic system's only driver is "extracting wealth", can we actually develop a country without it? The extraction of wealth isn't some unfortunate byproduct, it's a central cog in the machine of what makes it operate. Money is invested for returns.

Yes. It's misanthropic to expect returns and has driven decades of unnecessary war and violence.

Re: The abandoned war: Why no one is stopping the genocide in Sudan

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Post by throwaway27448 »

cucumber3732842 wrote: post #56
throwaway27448 wrote: post #24

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You can develop a country without extracting its wealth.

So work for free? Who would invest in facilities, develop workforces, etc, without a payoff?

Sane humans? The payoff is a functional country and less conflict.

Re: The abandoned war: Why no one is stopping the genocide in Sudan

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Post by throwaway27448 »

cucumber3732842 wrote: post #91
cess11 wrote: post #68

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How does China approach this?

They finance projects with terms that drive business to Chinese companies. The Congo gets a highway. A Chinese construction company makes a buck. The financiers make a buck. Business relationships are created and the people who get the highway use that highway to import Chinese goods. That's how it's supposed to work, when it works. I'm sure it's gotten better with time. https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/0…

The congo is basically the worst possible example you could have found for this—china notoriously doesn't invest in local infrastructure. There are literally hundreds of better examples across africa and south and central america and central asia and southeast asia.

Re: The abandoned war: Why no one is stopping the genocide in Sudan

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

nixon_why69 wrote: post #128
ResPublica wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I appreciate your feedback and understand your criticism. I'll be sure to add more detail in future analyses. My main goal was to draw attention to this matter.

I almost commented before realizing I hadn't RTFA and deleting my draft in shame. Having read it, how are UAE and the Saudis opposing each other in this proxy war while being nearly joined at the hip in their actual neighborhood? Your article was informative and I learned from reading it but this whole dynamic still makes zero sense to me. They don't talk? Maybe it makes zero sense to anyone.

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Re: The abandoned war: Why no one is stopping the genocide in Sudan

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

MisterTea wrote: post #10
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #3

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What made the Israel-Palestine conflict profitable for influencers (initially on both sides, I’d guess mostly on the pro-Palestinian side now) before the Iran War that doesn’t apply to Sudan?

The Sudanese population and diaspora hold no great financial or political influence globally so they have no visibility hence, no audience.

> Sudanese population and diaspora hold no great financial or political influence globally so they have no visibility hence, no audience

This makes sense. But the Palestinian diaspora is tiny. Did it really kickstart the economics for new content?

Re: The abandoned war: Why no one is stopping the genocide in Sudan

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

yostrovs wrote: post #119
ahhhhnoooo wrote: post #95

Is anyone stopping any of the genocides around the world? Governments and citizenry are engaged in many attempts to wholly eradicate cultures and minorities. Sometimes fast, like Israel attempting to eradicate Palestinians. Sometimes they are slow, like the barriers put into place against indigenous communities after generations of genocide against them. It's not new either. Sudan, Uyghers, Rohingya, Yazidi, Armenian…

"The world" cares about some more than others. That's why the plight of the Palestinians is daily on the news, while that of the Yazidis or Druze is not.

I had compassion for Ukrainians weaponized against me here on this site (you are racist, you only care about white people, etc). Many now days use/express compassion as a weapon/political tool.

Re: The abandoned war: Why no one is stopping the genocide in Sudan

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Post by lostlogin »

thevinter wrote: post #118
lostlogin wrote: post #57

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Can any downvoters explain the downvotes?

It's a very simplistic and radical point of view that doesn't take into account the reality of the world we live in. It also doesn't take into account the intricacies of foreign politics and seems to assume that the gulf states are the only bad actors here. Finally "gulf states" is a catch-all so big that it's borderline funny. (What did Bahrain do?)

Thanks.

They make their money from oil, which we all buy.

Re: The abandoned war: Why no one is stopping the genocide in Sudan

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

DFHippie wrote: post #76
throwhhjs wrote: post #22

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After a few hundred years historical injustices move down the priority list. France isn't seeking reparations from Italy for the conquest of Gaul, for example.

> After a few hundred years historical injustices move down the priority list

I'm actually curious for you to expand on this.

It's broadly, I think, my view. And it's been a reason I've come to disregard pretty much all historical claims to land in the Middle East, focussing on the quality of life of the people alive today where they are over where they or their ancestors were at some arbitrary point in the past.

But that largely erupts from me drawing my line between the living and the dead. (International lawyers would draw it at the end of WWII.) How do you draw yours?

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