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Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by ryandrake »

WalterBright wrote: post #55

I simply assume that everything that travels out of my home through a wire gets tracked and stored by the government. Everywhere you go, if your phone is in your pocket, you are being tracked and stored, and available to the government. Everywhere your car goes, is tracked and stored and available to the government. BTW, the J6 protesters were all tracked and identified by their cell phone data.

We keep failing to learn over and over that "Cloud is just someone else's computer." If you wouldn't send a particular bit of data to some random person's computer, then don't send it to a cloud service, either. This includes Gmail, iCloud, AWS, Facebook, WhatsApp, iMessage, everything.

If it's not your computer, it's not your data.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by js2 »

crooked-v wrote: post #52
eaf7e281 wrote: post #45

I still don't understand. Who gave ICE such power, and who is ordering them to do all this? To me, ICE's actions are similar to those of a private army.

Trump (with indirect support from the Republicans in Congress), and Trump (with indirect support from the Republicans in Congress), respectively.

It's Stephen Miller, enabled by Trump.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by drnick1 »

jfoworjf wrote: post #5

This story is the one that finally pushed me to leave google. I moved off my ~20 year old Google account and deleted everything off their services including almost a decade of Google photos. I cancelled my Google one subscription for extra space. I'm now self hosting what I can and paying proton mail for everything else. I refuse to allow a company that will hand over data at the request of an administrative warrant…

This. The real solution here is to keep your data, encrypted, on your own devices. The idea that everything needs to be in the cloud is absurd and naturally leads to concentration of power.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by SoftTalker »

wmil wrote: post #86
orbisvicis wrote: post #56

How was Amandla even identified? Stingray at the protest? Then how was the phone number linked to Google? Facial recognition at the protest? I guess his details are on file under terms of the visa? So then the government simply asks Google for all details on the individual by name? Either is pretty disturbing.

Cell carriers sell geofenced data about cell phones in an area at a given time to anyone. There's zero privacy. KYC laws mean that his carrier has his name and email address and the feds probably got that without anyone informing the customer.

Or there may be more to the story than he's telling.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by dkural »

WalterBright wrote: post #72
soganess wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, because the American ideal of our forefathers was FAFO? This is embarrassing to admit, but I miss the halcyon days when folks were still nominally pretending to be free speech warriors.

If you are invited to visit someone's home, and you go, and say nasty things to the homeowner, you'll be tossed out despite your right to free speech. If you're a guest in another country, act like a guest. When I was living on a military base in Germany, I and my family were required to behave as a guest of the Germans. The military was quite strict about that. I didn't have any issue with that. When I travel to ano…

Different rules apply to members of the military stationed on a treaty-based foreign military base.

However, as a thought experiment, let's go with your flawed analogy: Even then, this person was acting like a guest -- it is a long-cherished American tradition to exercise our constitutionally-protected right to free speech, assemble, and yes, protest. Nothing's more American than speaking against Government oppression and overreach.

The government is not your owner. The government is not your father. You are a participant in the affairs of your country, and take responsibility in its direction. Civic engagement and right to protest are important tools to make our government accountable. These are fundamental American values. And you're welcome to bring friends. It's legal.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by nancyminusone »

wredcoll wrote: post #71
smallmancontrov wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The number of HNers who were earnestly arguing that this was the party of free speech indicates that this absolutely needs to be on the HN front page. > the administration’s rhetoric about cracking down on students protesting what we saw as genocide forced me into hiding for three months. Federal agents came to my home looking for me. A friend was detained at an airport in Tampa and interrogated about my whereabouts.

> The number of HNers who were earnestly arguing that this was the party of free speech Do you think any of them were sincere?

Yes. A particular interest is that of freely insulting people they don't like.

Allowing people they don't like to insult them? Not much of a priority.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by izacus »

josefritzishere wrote: post #3

This is so wrong. What's the solution? Google class action lawsuit?

You're going to sue Google for following the law of the land they're incorporated in? And demand that they - as a mega corporation - just ignore laws?

How about making sure that your laws don't authorize ICE data requests? How about that?

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by izacus »

epistasis wrote: post #38
free652 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Switching to 100% European cloud' Yea, they are even worse. They would sell out in a sec once goverment is going after them.

What is the basis for this claim?

The law of their respective country most likely.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by traderj0e »

pixel_popping wrote: post #125
traderj0e wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When have they done this before?

500k time a year: https://transparencyreport.google.com/user-data/overview

Those are supposedly ones where they legally had to comply. This case was different.
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