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US national level OS-level age verification bill proposed

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Re: US national level OS-level age verification bill proposed

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Cigarettes are a product that is sold . Many operating systems are free. I use several that are small projects entirely produced by hobbyists. Even if they stack the courts with muppets who ignore the obvious first amendment angle to get this passed, I will never comply with this and I will happily help others defy it.

So if I hand out free cigarettes, I’d be in the clear.

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Re: US national level OS-level age verification bill proposed

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Nonsense bills get introduced all the time. I’m not saying this shouldn’t be taken seriously, but this eventually getting codified is a long shot. There are so many issues with how this can work in practice. Best case it just asks how old you are like a website that shows mature content, and the user lies. So from a liability perspective that shifts it to the user who gave false information. Beyond that there’s no pr…

You're assuming that politicians are competent, thorough, and consider all the implications before writing a bill or voting on a bill.

That is a _very_ dangerous assumption.

Re: US national level OS-level age verification bill proposed

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I find it interesting this criticism assumes age-appropriate LGBTQ content isn’t a thing.

Because the people who will use the law as a club to enforce their morality will assert that there is no such thing.

I'm currently reading Foucault's history of sexuality, and the reason you might want this is because population!

Obviously we are facing a population crisis, and we will need more bodies for the factories and retirement homes. Or at least this was the idea in the 1800s. We might have morally coated it with religion, but biopower is a real thing.

The current hypothesis is that the ever evolving LGBTQ+ is a way to sell niche products to these groups. You can imagine that with every new gender, there is a facebook ad and amazon order to be sold.

I don't really believe this, I'm an anti-realist and I think continental philosophy is BS... but this is a classic. Also, there are sooo many ways our sexual taboos are all about economics. Once you see it, you cant unsee.

Re: US national level OS-level age verification bill proposed

#135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cigarettes are a product that is sold . Many operating systems are free. I use several that are small projects entirely produced by hobbyists. Even if they stack the courts with muppets who ignore the obvious first amendment angle to get this passed, I will never comply with this and I will happily help others defy it.

So if I hand out free cigarettes, I’d be in the clear.

The laws about giving (not selling) tobacco to minors are state laws, not federal. There’s no interstate commerce there or here.

Besides, you’re comparing apples to oranges. Cigarettes are a physical product, not a form of expression. Code is speech and compelled speech violates the first amendment. That makes even state laws for OS age verification unconstitutional.

Re: US national level OS-level age verification bill proposed

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According to a recent CRYPTO-GRAM issue from Schneier, it's in Meta's interest to push these regulations as their product isn't an OS. Their competition (Apple/MS/Google) are OSs though.

I'm not sure why Meta's lobbying is harped on so much when all of Big Tech benefits from this; Zuckerberg is just the fall guy. Tech companies love the idea of identity / age verification so they can target ads more effectively. My general feeling is also that privacy is a thorn in their side when it comes to integrating more deeply into people's lives. There are also state actors at play here who would love if compu…

Google and Apple certainly don't benefit from this - they can serve more ads, track more data, and assume you're authorized to spend a gazillion dollars in a game if they don't know you're a child.

One example of this was last year when high-profile apps like Candy Crush Saga and Clash of Clans were found to have privacy policies on their websites restricting users to 13+ so they could track and advertise more while their Android and iOS apps were designated for all ages so they could get more downloads.

Re: US national level OS-level age verification bill proposed

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post #95

According to a recent CRYPTO-GRAM issue from Schneier, it's in Meta's interest to push these regulations as their product isn't an OS. Their competition (Apple/MS/Google) are OSs though.

I'm not sure why Meta's lobbying is harped on so much when all of Big Tech benefits from this; Zuckerberg is just the fall guy. Tech companies love the idea of identity / age verification so they can target ads more effectively. My general feeling is also that privacy is a thorn in their side when it comes to integrating more deeply into people's lives. There are also state actors at play here who would love if compu…

> I'm not sure why Meta's lobbying is harped on so much when all of Big Tech benefits from this

Because meta will not have to spend real $ to add/support age verification, plus they get to point the finger at someone else for age issues.

Re: US national level OS-level age verification bill proposed

#138

Looks like compelled speech to me, both for the operating system creator and the users. I do not believe that “interstate commerce” powers negate the first amendment.

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The text of the bill hasn’t been published and this “sundown clause” in itself would be unprecedented and unconstitutional. You are talking out your ass here. I frankly suspect you are trolling especially given your comment history.

Re: US national level OS-level age verification bill proposed

#139

Nonsense bills get introduced all the time. I’m not saying this shouldn’t be taken seriously, but this eventually getting codified is a long shot. There are so many issues with how this can work in practice. Best case it just asks how old you are like a website that shows mature content, and the user lies. So from a liability perspective that shifts it to the user who gave false information. Beyond that there’s no pr…

The government doesn't care if it's nonsensical and contradictory and enforcement would be a dumpster fire because all that essentially grants their buddies (if not now then in the future) in the executive more power.

Re: US national level OS-level age verification bill proposed

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Age appropriate books intended for that still get banned, so the assumption is just that the decisions about it won't be made in good faith. "X has two dads" kind of books aren't really adult, and yet...

Then sue, at that point, and win.

Ah yes, I have a lot of faith that the stacked Supreme Court will return a fair result in this issue.
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