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Nothing Ever Happens: Polymarket bot that always buys No on non-sports markets

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Re: Nothing Ever Happens: Polymarket bot that always buys No on non-sports markets

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The whole premise of prediction markets is that the few people whose perception do match outcomes make bets to push the money-weighted average perception toward outcomes. If perceptions still don't match outcomes at that point, average return is 0 minus transactions, with high variance.

huh? that sounds like ideology and not empirical observation.

That's just how limit order books work with mark-to-market pricing

Re: Nothing Ever Happens: Polymarket bot that always buys No on non-sports markets

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post #38

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> One loss sets you back 10-20 wins. didn't look at the numbers, but this one sentence reminds me of selling options for 'passive income' (don't do that)

I drew the same analogy. You put up $0.95, a YES gambler only puts $0.05 (ignoring spread); you're providing "insurance" in case of a YES. In theory, even if the market prices reflected the true probability of the event happening, the more expensive side should be netting some "insurance premium" on average, right? Not sure, and idk how to observe if that's happening. Polymarket is also holding onto the money in the…

They probably make interest off it themselves, so to give you any interest would cut into their margins.

Re: Nothing Ever Happens: Polymarket bot that always buys No on non-sports markets

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post #118

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You're thinking like an engineer and making the laughable assumption that "prediction markets" are markets. It's totally unregulated with all sorts of grifts and cheats. One of the platforms was promoting a high-return bet against Rory at the Masters yesterday. You can make money off of all sorts of stuff. You can "sell" the bets, so there's lots of live pump and dump. We've gone full circle. The bookie with no neck…

Wouldn't a high-return bet against Rory make sense? He was very likely to win.

Sure.

But isn’t weird the betting platform is sending an app notification saying “hey bet on this dude to win $X”?

Re: Nothing Ever Happens: Polymarket bot that always buys No on non-sports markets

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71 cents*, the bookie gets a cut either way it goes.

Untrue for polymarket. True for kalshi. No bookie fees on polymarket

Wow that's news to me. How does polymarket make money if not from fees?

Re: Nothing Ever Happens: Polymarket bot that always buys No on non-sports markets

#137

Polymarket already has "Nothing Ever Happens" markets where you can bet on a set of events all not happening together. Because why not.

"Nothing ever happens" ETF

I think these would qualify https://etfdb.com/etfdb-category/inverse-volatility/

Re: Nothing Ever Happens: Polymarket bot that always buys No on non-sports markets

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post #18

https://x.com/sterlingcrispin/status/2043723823678382254 They admit no returns. But it does seem like a fun project and nowhere does it say anything about returns or profits so not scammy imo just funny meme backed code

> They admit no returns.

So it's not a useful trading strategy. Good to know.

It might have worked out that the human tendency towards optimism biased the Yes side, but Polymarket is watched closely enough by traders that the pricing is apparently realistic.

Now if you could bet against minor crypto coins, which almost always go down... But if you could, there would be traders pricing them realistically. Everybody has analytics now, and mispriced markets are detected and exploited quickly.

Re: Nothing Ever Happens: Polymarket bot that always buys No on non-sports markets

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> 73% of all polymarkets do resolve to No though. I bet the average price for a no bet across these markets is 73 cents.

Why would outcomes match perceptions? The whole premise of gambling is that they don't

But in aggregate they might.

Re: Nothing Ever Happens: Polymarket bot that always buys No on non-sports markets

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Untrue for polymarket. True for kalshi. No bookie fees on polymarket

Wow that's news to me. How does polymarket make money if not from fees?

Polymarket charges “taker” fees (people removing liquidity by matching listed orders) on most markets. Geopolitics markets are exempt. A portion of the collected fees then get redistributed to “makers” (people who provide liquidity by listing orders for others to match). Presumably the rest of these fees make up polymarket’s revenue.
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