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Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised

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Re: Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised

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Post by troad »

soopypoos wrote: post #118
throwaway920102 wrote: post #97

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No, it can also be saying "I simply have too many other things to do than worry about what the correct data retention or ban appeal or DSA statement of reasons requirement or DSA statement of reasons transparency DB API or UK Ofcom age verification requirements or..." Sometimes if you're just one person and the EU isn't a core market and you are a small business or non-profit, it's easier to just say, ok you know wha…

The signal remains the same: "Will you sell my data?" "This interview is over. (I'm very busy.)"

That's absurd. Are you, right now, compliant with all relevant laws and regulations in Turkmenistan? Do you have legal advice to back that up? Why not? Is it because you're a criminal?

No! Of course not! It's because you don't care about Turkmenistan, to the extent you've never even bothered to look up what is and is not legal there, let alone get legal advice about it. That's a perfectly fine answer. This random Michigan newspaper doesn't care about the EU. That's a perfectly fine answer too.

Re: Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised

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Post by Rediscover »

nemomarx wrote: post #63
bee_rider wrote: post #58

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Is this stuff… like, good? I don’t know anything about the MS ecosystem. If you could start from scratch, would using something more like Python, pandas, that sort of stuff, be viable?

You're not going to get non technical coworkers like the finance department entering their data or reports in pandas. So it depends on how much labor you want to put in helping them do it, I guess?

I thought I read something similar in Levy's book "Hackers" but the following is from https://www.gnu.org/gnu/rms-lisp.en.html

"It was Bernie Greenberg, who discovered that it was [2]. He wrote a version of Emacs in Multics MacLisp, and he wrote his commands in MacLisp in a straightforward fashion. The editor itself was written entirely in Lisp. Multics Emacs proved to be a great success—programming new editing commands was so convenient that even the secretaries in his office started learning how to use it. They used a manual someone had written which showed how to extend Emacs, but didn't say it was a programming. So the secretaries, who believed they couldn't do programming, weren't scared off. They read the manual, discovered they could do useful things and they learned to program."

Re: Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

nonethewiser wrote: post #102
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #100

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> If it's illegal in the United States to ask someone's age before distributing porn to them online because of the first amendment, why can physical porn stores ask for id? Is that also unconstitutional? The laws typically don't require them to check ID but instead punish them for selling to minors. You then have several major differences from the online case: In a physical store where they're neither de facto nor de…

> In a physical store they're neither de facto nor de jure required to check your ID when you're clearly an adult, and many of them don't. There is no feasible way to do the same thing on the internet so instead it effectively becomes requirement to ID everyone, which is different. 1) Not true. The burden is on the seller to verify age. Sure, they can try to do it visually but if they fail they are still liable. 2) E…

> Sure, they can try to do it visually but if they fail they are still liable.

That doesn't really have anything to do with the issue that there are practical ways of doing it in person without demanding ID but not online.

Also, those laws tend to have Problems if they actually try to enforce them that way. If the police get a 17 year old a convincing fake ID that says they're 21 or contrive some other circumstance where the seller would reasonably believe they were an adult and then try to prosecute someone for selling to a minor, judges start thinking things like maybe due process doesn't allow the government to get away with that.

> Even if true, nothing changes in a legal sense if they lose the ability to informally verify age because thats not a legal right of the consumer.

"Acquiring information anonymously" is a legal right of the consumer. Laws with chilling effects are a violation of the First Amendment.

> Texas law didn't mandate age verification by ID specifically.

But you're asking why it's different than doing it in person. It's different because the available mechanisms of ascertaining age are different.

Re: Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised

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Post by soopypoos »

troad wrote: post #131
soopypoos wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The signal remains the same: "Will you sell my data?" "This interview is over. (I'm very busy.)"

That's absurd. Are you, right now, compliant with all relevant laws and regulations in Turkmenistan? Do you have legal advice to back that up? Why not? Is it because you're a criminal ? No! Of course not! It's because you don't care about Turkmenistan, to the extent you've never even bothered to look up what is and is not legal there, let alone get legal advice about it. That's a perfectly fine answer. This random Mi…

Turkmen: "Will you sell my data?"

Me: "No."

Re: Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised

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Post by bombcar »

soopypoos wrote: post #134
troad wrote: post #131

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That's absurd. Are you, right now, compliant with all relevant laws and regulations in Turkmenistan? Do you have legal advice to back that up? Why not? Is it because you're a criminal ? No! Of course not! It's because you don't care about Turkmenistan, to the extent you've never even bothered to look up what is and is not legal there, let alone get legal advice about it. That's a perfectly fine answer. This random Mi…

Turkmen: "Will you sell my data?" Me: "No."

If complying with the GDPR was that easy an entire industry wouldn't be needed.

Use of AWS availability zones as it applies to Article 5?

https://gdpr-info.eu/chapter-5/

Re: Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised

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Post by soopypoos »

bombcar wrote: post #135
soopypoos wrote: post #134

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Turkmen: "Will you sell my data?" Me: "No."

If complying with the GDPR was that easy an entire industry wouldn't be needed. Use of AWS availability zones as it applies to Article 5? https://gdpr-info.eu/chapter-5/

It is that easy.

Re: Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised

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Post by troad »

soopypoos wrote: post #136
bombcar wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If complying with the GDPR was that easy an entire industry wouldn't be needed. Use of AWS availability zones as it applies to Article 5? https://gdpr-info.eu/chapter-5/

It is that easy.

It's pretty clear you're not a good faith interlocutor at this point.

Re: Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised

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Post by trollbridge »

HWR_14 wrote: post #122
bee_rider wrote: post #58

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Is this stuff… like, good? I don’t know anything about the MS ecosystem. If you could start from scratch, would using something more like Python, pandas, that sort of stuff, be viable?

Excel works, the VBA macros with random business rules work, people with business knowledge know how to use it, the workflows are set up. If we were starting from nothing it wouldn't be built, but the value of what already exists is massive.

I have a client who migrated from Sheets to Excel. Google has all the same issues Microsoft does too when it comes to privacy.

Re: Michigan 'digital age' bills pulled after privacy concerns raised

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Post by master-lincoln »

soopypoos wrote: post #134
troad wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's absurd. Are you, right now, compliant with all relevant laws and regulations in Turkmenistan? Do you have legal advice to back that up? Why not? Is it because you're a criminal ? No! Of course not! It's because you don't care about Turkmenistan, to the extent you've never even bothered to look up what is and is not legal there, let alone get legal advice about it. That's a perfectly fine answer. This random Mi…

Turkmen: "Will you sell my data?" Me: "No."

No Turkmen official will approach you to ask that question. You would need to anticipate what the important questions are to comply with Turkmenistan's laws (or hire somebody to figure this out).
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