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The future of everything is lies, I guess – Part 5: Annoyances

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Re: The future of everything is lies, I guess – Part 5: Annoyances

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Post by crooked-v »

carlosjobim wrote: post #123
elzbardico wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people who hate AI have been completely dis-enfranchised by the system. The media won't amplificate their voices, any viable political leader that is seem as threat will be completely and utterly destroyed by the parties and the PAC machine still on the primaries. It is an incredibly vexing situation to see whatever you're an AI hater or enthusiast. I, for one, welcome our trillion parameters multiple layers ove…

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I wasn't aware that gluten intolerant people had been subject to mass chattel slavery.

Re: The future of everything is lies, I guess – Part 5: Annoyances

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Post by gs17 »

delusional wrote: post #85
gs17 wrote: post #84

> Perhaps we’ll see distributed boycotts where many people deploy personal models to force Burger King’s models to burn through tokens at a fantastic rate. Given how many people hate AI in general, I'm surprised there hasn't been anything like this happening. They could even get around the irony of using "AI" themselves, I bet low-tech language models like Markov chains could provide sufficient time wasting potential…

If your complaints about AI are largely about the industrial energy use, the poor quality of service, and the displacement of human labor, wasting more CPU time doesn't seem like a viable or useful protest. The lesson Burger King would take away from your DDoS protest isn't that they should provide better customer service, but that they shouldn't provide any customer service. You'd be giving them free cover to blame…

I've interacted with some anti-AI people who genuinely would prefer the "no customer service" world to even a "good AI customer service" world. They're a small minority, sure, but this sort of attack wouldn't need a huge group.

Re: The future of everything is lies, I guess – Part 5: Annoyances

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Post by bluefirebrand »

solid_fuel wrote: post #117
bluefirebrand wrote: post #73

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I wonder if there's also less of a stigma and sense of wrongdoing about tricking an LLM versus tricking an employee We intuitively know that an employee will be punished and may get fired if we trick them. Many of us won't try to trick human employees as a result, because we would feel bad if they had bad consequences as a result of our trickery There is likely no such hesitation around tricking LLMs. I know I person…

I have no moral qualms about tricking an LLM, but I would not be surprised if it gets called a violation of the CFAA in the near future.

I hope not. It would be a real shame to offload corporate responsibility onto their customers

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Post by olyjohn »

djeastm wrote: post #119
SoftTalker wrote: post #68

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> I feel like our whole world more and more circulates around manipulation Hate to break it to you but it's always been this way, and it was easier in the past when information was so much more expensive to distribute.

Cheap distribution makes manipulation easier, not harder. The time it takes for a bad actor to capture attention is much smaller now. It used to be you'd read one news article about a story once a day in a newspaper and maybe once more in the evening news. In between you could think about it, talk about it with other people you know in real life, etc. Now you're getting meme after meme of the same story multiple time…

And the memes are all just one sentence gotchas with no real substance. And that's how people ingest the news. Headlines and Memes. Who needs actual articles?

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Post by fyredge »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #53
gdulli wrote: post #28

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At least phone trees are deterministic and there's still (usually) an option to get to a person for matters that aren't covered by the multiple choice options. Talking to AI is a much worse experience and the hope of the industry is that there won't need to be a human as a fallback anymore because (they believe) the AI is intelligent enough to handle anything.

I'm surprised to find so many people who consider human-based customer support a good experience. I wasted an hour on the phone last month with a series of polite support agents who I'm sure were wonderful people in their personal lives. They kept saying they'd like to try one more thing, making me wait 5 minutes (just short enough that I can't get anything done in the interim!), and then asking for one more pointles…

> because their website was not showing me a button the support scripts said should be there.

At that point, it's effectively a phone tree executed by a human. Colloquially, human-based support means getting a hold of someone who knows how to solve problems, and worst case, knowing who to contact to solve the problem. That means employees who know their worth which unfortunately, businesses do not want to pay.

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Post by abcde666777 »

Scholmo wrote: post #32
kevg123 wrote: post #22

I sent the entire series by Aphyr [1] to some friends. Two of them, independently, responded with a variant of, "TLDR, can you give a summary?" I chat with these friends a lot but I rarely send articles that I suggest they read and that I think are profound, so I expected them to read it. These are smart people that have a history of reading lots of books. They are both huge AI proponents now and use AI for nearly ev…

You might just overhype this blog. I read one of his last week? and didn't like it that much. I read this one despite it because its quite high on hn for whatever reason. I don't think everything is lies and i don't like how he thinks a LLM is just some bullshit machine. Its also waaaay to early to even understand were this is going. We as humans have never had that much compute and used it this particular way. It co…

The author's making considered speculations about where things might go. You're just putting your hands up in the air and saying 'we don't know'.

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Post by zdragnar »

rwmj wrote: post #103
GavinAnderegg wrote: post #37

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Thanks for this! Seems like a bold stance… but the Online Safety Act also seems like a poor piece of legislation.

It is, but Kyle's "protest" is making absolutely no difference.

What protest? If the site is illegal in the UK, he has three options:

1) add age verification to comply

2) cease operating in the UK by blocking traffic

3) operate in violation of the law, making travel to anywhere the UK has jurisdiction dangerous

I don't think he's intending on changing UK society by blocking their traffic because, as you point out, that's not a good way to effect change.

Re: The future of everything is lies, I guess – Part 5: Annoyances

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Post by wincy »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #53
gdulli wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least phone trees are deterministic and there's still (usually) an option to get to a person for matters that aren't covered by the multiple choice options. Talking to AI is a much worse experience and the hope of the industry is that there won't need to be a human as a fallback anymore because (they believe) the AI is intelligent enough to handle anything.

I'm surprised to find so many people who consider human-based customer support a good experience. I wasted an hour on the phone last month with a series of polite support agents who I'm sure were wonderful people in their personal lives. They kept saying they'd like to try one more thing, making me wait 5 minutes (just short enough that I can't get anything done in the interim!), and then asking for one more pointles…

This happened to me when I tried to buy Oakley’s, it was because I’d changed my router to an ad blocking DNS which made their support session lookups fail, so they couldn’t help me. Transactions failing, all because of their site being too tightly integrated into tracking and ad platforms. I ended up going with Zenni and got similar glasses for 1/5 the price.

Re: The future of everything is lies, I guess – Part 5: Annoyances

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Post by gtowey »

morgengold wrote: post #90

My father just changed his car key battery with the help of ai and he likes that. He also consulted it about about car insurance regulations and he got more out of it than searching the web himself. For most simple mainstream questions I just ask ai instead of googling shitty results. Most of the time ai is good enough and often better than the status ante. People do not care if it is a stupid token prediction machin…

But those are mostly things that were possible before basic web search became nearly unusable.

I don't disagree with you at all, I have found that I turn to LLMs to answer questions that I would have just searched with Google before.

It feels like a case of companies creating a problem to sell you the solution. The problem in their eyes is that they couldn't squeeze any more money out of search. So they bring us LLMs to replace it at what is sure to be a much higher cost. But they had to torpedo search to force users to use LLMs.

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