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WireGuard makes new Windows release following Microsoft signing resolution

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Re: WireGuard makes new Windows release following Microsoft signing resolution

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

unmole wrote: post #124
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They started it because the drivers people used to use from hardware vendors would routinely blue screen windows, which made MS look like the reason windows would crash. Hardware vendors are notoriously inept at software. But hardware vendors also want Windows licenses to include with their hardware, so it's pretty easy to say "do the hardware program certification if you want the discount" and that's exactly what…

> Why are they harassing the WireGuard developers, who have their own reputation for not being inept at software I would guess this is just large organizations Seeing Like a State whereby they "seek to force administrative legibility on their subjects by homogenizing them". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seeing_Like_a_State

At which point we're back to, why is Microsoft acting like a government and treating their users like property of the crown instead of autonomous adult human beings who should be free to choose what software they want on their own PC?

Re: WireGuard makes new Windows release following Microsoft signing resolution

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Post by fsflover »

elcritch wrote: post #100
sillysaurusx wrote: post #67

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They would be ignored. Having an audience is key to getting problems solved, whether it’s a lone hacker or a large corporation. Without an audience, you have no leverage. At that point you might as well create a new Windows account and re-apply, since that would have more luck than getting around a “we’ve closed your account and there’s no appeal process” barrier. If that sounds Kafkaesque, it is. It’s a small miracl…

It makes me think tech communities need to lobby for more laws to ensure fair access to platforms, app stores, etc. Be that at least side loading apps, etc. Otherwise we’ll eventually all get lost in the kafkaesque technocracies. Less for moral reading, but to keep from being squashed by the weight of tech.

This is why orgs like https://eff.org exist.

Re: WireGuard makes new Windows release following Microsoft signing resolution

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Post by pseudohadamard »

unquietwiki wrote: post #46
zx2c4 wrote: post #3

As I mentioned in the mailing list post, the Microsoft paperwork shuffling matter got dealt with rather quickly, following all the attention the HN thread from the other day got. And now we're finally out with an update! NT programming is a lot of fun, though this release was quite challenging, because of all of the toolchain updates. On the plus side, we got to remove pre-Win10 support -- https://lists.zx2c4.com/pip…

Hey there, thank you for pushing this out. I saw there's a 0.6.1 update now, that also reboots the machine after updating. I don't remember if it said it'd do said reboot...

Just updated and it didn't reboot, just displayed an error-looking alert that the manager was already running.

Re: WireGuard makes new Windows release following Microsoft signing resolution

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Post by anakaine »

nine_k wrote: post #109
VertanaNinjai wrote: post #105

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Í think their point was that Wireguard has no physical hardware, so it’s strange as a software project they’d be forced to go through verification for a hardware program.

Because it's a kernel driver anyway?

Then the program should have been named the kernel level driver verification program.

Re: WireGuard makes new Windows release following Microsoft signing resolution

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Post by anakaine »

UqWBcuFx6NV4r wrote: post #115
VertanaNinjai wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Í think their point was that Wireguard has no physical hardware, so it’s strange as a software project they’d be forced to go through verification for a hardware program.

Okay. So they can call it the “hardware and WireGuard” program for all I care. The reality is that MS requires this sort of approval / verification process for whatever WireGuard is doing. In true HN fashion everyone loves getting distracted by utter meaningless semantics.

Those meaningless semantics are part of how this got missed in the first place, and why it caused such an issue. Microsoft is a large company, and a poorly named program created requirements that were missed.

Re: WireGuard makes new Windows release following Microsoft signing resolution

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Post by Barbing »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #131
unmole wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why are they harassing the WireGuard developers, who have their own reputation for not being inept at software I would guess this is just large organizations Seeing Like a State whereby they "seek to force administrative legibility on their subjects by homogenizing them". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seeing_Like_a_State

At which point we're back to, why is Microsoft acting like a government and treating their users like property of the crown instead of autonomous adult human beings who should be free to choose what software they want on their own PC?

all five letters of that answer are in your username :)

Re: WireGuard makes new Windows release following Microsoft signing resolution

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Post by defrost »

Barbing wrote: post #137
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At which point we're back to, why is Microsoft acting like a government and treating their users like property of the crown instead of autonomous adult human beings who should be free to choose what software they want on their own PC?

all five letters of that answer are in your username :)

Are you thinking of a single five letter word, two words of three and two letters, or an entire sentence that only uses 5 distinct letters?

Consider being less cryptic, for the sake of those with English as a fourth language.

Re: WireGuard makes new Windows release following Microsoft signing resolution

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Post by simonjgreen »

alekratz wrote: post #54
PeterStuer wrote: post #44

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"so I would assume a bug on their side" Why a "bug".

For something like this, I would generalize a "bug" to encompass both software and human processes. Some decision-maker saw some metrics consistent with spam and enacted a spam-blocking measure. Any decision like this is going to lead to false positives. Maybe they decided "I don't need to confer with anyone", or maybe they did and got the green light even after multiple eyeballs looked at it. I'm not saying that thi…

Absolutely agree. Don’t automatically attribute to malice what can also be explained by incompetence
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