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Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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[To the downvoter, downvoting is not going to change the historical facts] It was the US that upended Iranian parliamentary democracy with a military coup, sponsored chemical weapons attacks on Irani population (through its proxy Iraq). This killed some 30k to 50k by way of chemical attacks alone. Credible sources estimate 100K killed by these chemical weapons attacks alone. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraqi_chemic…

Only westerners can be bad actors or at all in historic events racism of the charts? It takes two to tango and iran is dancing its heart out.. and could have had the most peacefull life, if its religion would not involve destroying all "unbelievers" in the middle east - first and foremost aimed at israel.

> if its religion would not involve destroying all "unbelievers" in the middle east -

That would be ultra orthodox zionists and illegal settlers that has been stealing land for decades now.

https://www.primevideo.com/detail/Louis-Theroux-The-Ultra-Zi...

An illuminating documentary. Everyone should give it a watch to understand the Zionist belief system.

There is very little room to doubt who the bad actor is and was. No matter how many canards you can try and thrust, how many attempts you make to color this as a religious holy war.

That the Islamic revolution was and is against Jews is a lie. In any case the Islamic revolution happened because of excesses by the US sponsored Shah who was put in charge after the US dismantled Iran's parliamentary democracy.

Even today Tehran hosts Dr. Sapir Hospital and Charity Center, a Jewish charity hospital, the largest charity among the religious minorities in Iran. It is doing well, thank you.

Ayatollah Khomeini himself wrote a personal note thanking the hospital for its help after the revolution succeeded.

Synagogues in Tehran are doing very well in the Islamic regime, thank you. Except for one that US+Israel bombed recently in Tehran.

This is in contrast to Israeli false flags, such as the Lavon affair and Baghdad synagogue bombings by Israel to drive a rift between Jews and the country they were residing in. Israel has a long documented history of bombing synagogues in other countries in false flag operations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1950%E2%80%931951_Baghdad_bomb...

In fact Irani Jews have often criticized Israel when Israel has acted against Palestinians. Chief Rabbi of Iran https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yehuda_Gerami has denounced Zionist and Israeli policies.

https://www.csmonitor.com/1998/0203/020398.intl.intl.3.html

""" It comes as a surprise to many visitors to discover that Iran, a country so hostile to Israel and with a reputation for intolerance, is home to a small but vibrant Jewish community that is an officially recognized religious minority under Iran's 1979 Islamic Constitution.

"Khomeini didn't mix up our community with Israel and Zionism - he saw us as Iranians," says Haroun Yashyaei, a film producer and chairman of the Central Jewish Community in Iran. """

Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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https://kyivindependent.com/ukraine-repatriates-bodies-of-1-... 1000 Ukrainians for 38 Russians. Such exchanges with similarly lopsided ratios happen every couple weeks.

Maybe it's simply because Ukrainians aren't killing Russians within territory they control, so they don't have as many bodies to exchange. Looking at body exchanges to determine the number of dead people on either side seems just...like a weird metric?

It’s a reasonable metric but it should be evaluated based on what’s happening on the ground. For example, if Russia is advancing and Ukraine is retreating, and KIA is same in each side, then Russia would pick up many more bodies to exchange than Ukraine.

Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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“What about…?” Does not make for a good argument.

When the comment is a response to another that justifies current attacks on Iran because Irani proxies killed US, it matters a big F'ing deal that those were in retaliation of the US historically scuttling Iranian parliamentary democracy and killing 50K Iranians by way of chemical munitions alone through its proxy.

No it doesn’t.

The post was replying to this:

>Iran doesn't use any of these to attack America.

This is false, as the post explained.

Saying “what about the US attacking Iran?” does not change the above being false. In fact the US attacking Iran does not change the above false either.

Even if we accept both things as true:

1. Iran has historically attacked the US 2. The US has historically destabilized/attacked Iran

It doesn’t change the fact that “Iran does not use any of these (proxy groups) to attack America” is a false statement.

Skip me with your emotional arguments because I’ll just think you’re posturing and just trying to advance your agenda :-)

Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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post #130

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When the comment is a response to another that justifies current attacks on Iran because Irani proxies killed US, it matters a big F'ing deal that those were in retaliation of the US historically scuttling Iranian parliamentary democracy and killing 50K Iranians by way of chemical munitions alone through its proxy.

No it doesn’t. The post was replying to this: >Iran doesn't use any of these to attack America. This is false, as the post explained. Saying “what about the US attacking Iran?” does not change the above being false. In fact the US attacking Iran does not change the above false either. Even if we accept both things as true: 1. Iran has historically attacked the US 2. The US has historically destabilized/attacked Iran…

There is a difference between "attack" (that has a connotation of being unprovoked and in bad faith) and "retaliation" against acts of drawing first blood.

More so if those primary attacks had 50K killed by way of proxies (100K according to more realistic estimates).

Sometimes, what one dishes out, comes back. If it does, rest of the world thinks it is only fair. Yes Iran has been retaliating, very weakly, to counterbalance attacks on itself by the US and its proxies.

There is not much doubt on who acted in bad faith first.

The US hurting its toe by kicking a stone and then complaining that it is the stone that attacked is not a good argument.

Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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In fairness, Iran has also been conducting its campaign with missiles and the Shahed drones. The Iran-Israel war has killed a lot of people who are neither Iranian nor Israeli but happen to live in Palestine or Lebanon.

Yeah I don't really like having to defend Iran, so I don't know what to tell you. Nobody in this is right.

The world os wrong because its sliding back into the rule of the strong from the before times.

Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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Iranian proxies are responsible for well over 1,000 American deaths since 1979, and there were dozens of foiled plots on American soil and hundreds of individual militia attacks in Iraq and Syria, directed by Iran.

How many Russian deaths have been caused by US proxies in Ukraine so far? Do those justify an attack on the US by Russia?

https://www.startpage.com/sp/search?q=US+proxies+in+Ukraine

Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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>They haven't been following international law since 1979. History doesn't start in 1979. Why not go back to 1953? Overthrowing another country's elected government is no more conscionable under international law.

> Why not go back to 1953? Overthrowing another country's elected government is no more conscionable under international law Nobody said you can't. I don't think the point is undermined. Neither the U.S. nor Iran have shown any consistent affection for international law.

This "both sides" game does not carry much weight when one side, the US and Britain, made the bad faith move on Iran first.

Stubbing one's toe and complaining "both sides" - the pebble and me.

Complaining I am being hit back because I hit first, does not elicit support. Especially, when one is less than forthcoming about who made the move on a sovereign country first. Made a move just because that country had resources you are interested in.

If you want the resource then buy it. Norway nationalised it's oil, Iran had equal sovereign right to do so.

You and I agree on many things. This one is not one of them.

Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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Only westerners can be bad actors or at all in historic events racism of the charts? It takes two to tango and iran is dancing its heart out.. and could have had the most peacefull life, if its religion would not involve destroying all "unbelievers" in the middle east - first and foremost aimed at israel.

> if its religion would not involve destroying all "unbelievers" in the middle east - That would be ultra orthodox zionists and illegal settlers that has been stealing land for decades now. https://www.primevideo.com/detail/Louis-Theroux-The-Ultra-Zi... An illuminating documentary. Everyone should give it a watch to understand the Zionist belief system. There is very little room to doubt who the bad actor is and was.…

Could he say anything else or other? He must sing the dhimi and hostage song for his life depends on it. I know what happens to the ghetto after the friday prayer. Pieces be upon the true believers..

Re: Iran threatens 'complete and utter annihilation' of OpenAI's $30B Stargate

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For reference, how many times has the US interfered with Iran's government and how many people in Iran has the US killed since 1979? That's the only way to get a fair view of this discussion. Just wondering if all this happened in a vacuum or, god forbid, Iran maybe has some reason to dislike the US.

this was a reply to people saying "Iran is not attacking the US". It is of course convenient to bend this discussion into a different direction, but this was a reply to blind propaganda that sees only one side as responsible for bad things.

Why would Iran attack the US? Did they just randomly decide to hate America in 1979? Or did America do something that triggered that hate?
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