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LibreOffice – Let's put an end to the speculation

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Re: LibreOffice – Let's put an end to the speculation

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Post by italovignoli »

ksec wrote: post #109
garciansmith wrote: post #66

I wish this was more clearly written. Maybe I missed something, and I guess this is supposing the reader already has a lot of background, but there are several points that confused me. "At the time, nobody could imagine that the companies that had supported OpenOffice.org until then would create a project to kill LibreOffice." Did they mean... to kill OpenOffice? Or had supported LibreOffice would want to create a pr…

Yes. I am bookmarking it for future reference. The post shows a perfect example why you need marketing and PR agency.

The situation is incredibly complex, and explaining it in full would need a book. The blog post is clear enough for the prople who have followed LibreOffice as a project, while other people have to do some research to understand all the details.

Re: LibreOffice – Let's put an end to the speculation

#133

Post by AugSun »

italovignoli wrote: post #130
garciansmith wrote: post #66

I wish this was more clearly written. Maybe I missed something, and I guess this is supposing the reader already has a lot of background, but there are several points that confused me. "At the time, nobody could imagine that the companies that had supported OpenOffice.org until then would create a project to kill LibreOffice." Did they mean... to kill OpenOffice? Or had supported LibreOffice would want to create a pr…

IBM has created Apache OpenOffice to kill LibreOffice. The Document Foundation has a Board of Directors. The TDC project damaged the relations between companies and community. The Document Foundation has a team. The authorities are the German authorities overseeing not for profit foundations. The third audit in 2025 was after the first audit in 2023 and the second audit in 2024. Collabora is a LibreOffice ecosystem c…

"explained at lengths" ... do we need to care to read all of that when someone "summarised" it for us in poorely written post? Also - correct me pls if I'm wrong – but I recall it was Oracle that gave OpenOffice to Apache foundation after its acquisition of Sun. If these people kill LibreOffice, someone at MS Office365 will cork a champagne ... What a cluster!

Re: LibreOffice – Let's put an end to the speculation

#134

Post by tym0 »

LeFantome wrote: post #132
tym0 wrote: post #117

I've really been enjoying the work that collabora (the consultancy) has done, especially around gaming on Linux. So it's really disappointing to see Collabora Online and TDF behaving like this...

Are you thinking of Code Weavers?

No, Code Weavers do awesome work but I was thinking of the work that Valve has been funding around Mesa, the kernel, etc...

Re: LibreOffice – Let's put an end to the speculation

#135

Post by kackerlacker »

cge wrote: post #29

Something that is dismaying to me about this situation is that, on one hand, the anti-Collabora arguments are not unconvincing: the situation with Collabora and the foundation seems to have been dubious at best, and I would not be surprised if their legal worries are well-founded. But on the other, in arguably trying to address the problems, the anti-Collabora side seems to exhibit a distressing lack of honor and dec…

AFAICT from TFA the arrangement with Collabra was illegal. I think the frustration was that there is no vote to be had on how to proceed in a way that continues to be illegal. You can vote for a reform you can propose another actionable reform, or you can be thrown out.. And here we are?

Re: LibreOffice – Let's put an end to the speculation

#136

Post by garciansmith »

italovignoli wrote: post #130
garciansmith wrote: post #66

I wish this was more clearly written. Maybe I missed something, and I guess this is supposing the reader already has a lot of background, but there are several points that confused me. "At the time, nobody could imagine that the companies that had supported OpenOffice.org until then would create a project to kill LibreOffice." Did they mean... to kill OpenOffice? Or had supported LibreOffice would want to create a pr…

IBM has created Apache OpenOffice to kill LibreOffice. The Document Foundation has a Board of Directors. The TDC project damaged the relations between companies and community. The Document Foundation has a team. The authorities are the German authorities overseeing not for profit foundations. The third audit in 2025 was after the first audit in 2023 and the second audit in 2024. Collabora is a LibreOffice ecosystem c…

Thank for the clarification, but it all should really be in that post if your goal is to try to persuade people of your argument (and "put an end to the speculation" about what happened), since people who don't know the background will have no clue where to find that info. At the very least links to those earlier posts are needed. And I say this as someone who uses LibreOffice daily both for work and my personal uses, someone who really hopes LibreOffice will succeed. Hopefully all this works out.

Re: LibreOffice – Let's put an end to the speculation

#137

Post by italovignoli »

AugSun wrote: post #133
italovignoli wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IBM has created Apache OpenOffice to kill LibreOffice. The Document Foundation has a Board of Directors. The TDC project damaged the relations between companies and community. The Document Foundation has a team. The authorities are the German authorities overseeing not for profit foundations. The third audit in 2025 was after the first audit in 2023 and the second audit in 2024. Collabora is a LibreOffice ecosystem c…

"explained at lengths" ... do we need to care to read all of that when someone "summarised" it for us in poorely written post? Also - correct me pls if I'm wrong – but I recall it was Oracle that gave OpenOffice to Apache foundation after its acquisition of Sun. If these people kill LibreOffice, someone at MS Office365 will cork a champagne ... What a cluster!

At the time, Oracle wanted to completely drop OpenOffice.org, but there was a contract with IBM which could use the source code to produce their proprietary Symphony office suite. Because of this contact, Oracle was not able to drop OOo and had to follow IBM's request to give the source code to ASF to create Apache OpenOffice. IBM openly declared the intention to kill LibreOffice during a call with The Document Foundation Steering Committee on April 30, 2011. I was in the call, and I regret I did not record the call.

Re: LibreOffice – Let's put an end to the speculation

#139

Post by ksec »

italovignoli wrote: post #131
ksec wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. I am bookmarking it for future reference. The post shows a perfect example why you need marketing and PR agency.

The situation is incredibly complex, and explaining it in full would need a book. The blog post is clear enough for the prople who have followed LibreOffice as a project, while other people have to do some research to understand all the details.

>and explaining it in full would need a book.

That is exactly why you need a PR agency.

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