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Re: Japanese, French and Omani vessels cross Strait of Hormuz

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Post by shrubby »

LeFantome wrote: post #110
ronnier wrote: post #29

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I think a large part of why they do this and vote the way they do is because of comments like yours. Hacker news, Reddit, award shows, movies, universities, etc all have a constant drum beat of disdain and hate towards them. I think this motivates them into voting even if the vote is against their own interest.

One third of Americans voted Democrat. One third voted Republican. One third did not vote. I hold the last group most responsible.

One group voted for nicely speaking tax free zillionaires. Another one voted for hate speaking zillionaires.

Third one didn't want to vote for zillionaires.

Perhaps next time there'll be someone to vote not representing the zillionaire-class?

Re: Japanese, French and Omani vessels cross Strait of Hormuz

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Post by gosub100 »

LeFantome wrote: post #69
gosub100 wrote: post #19

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My hope is that this will show weaknesses in our supposed "checks and balances" that can be patched later. If that means it takes an act of congress to even fire a single military weapon, so be it. That's just one example, but basically "they" need to backtrack and find every "hack" trump used and plug it so this never happens again.

What “checks and balances”? The SCOTUS ruled that presidents cannot be held accountable. The constitution is pretty clear. Trump does not have the authority to invade Iran. Yet he did. What are you planning to patch? Despite everything, Trump has 35-40 percent approval right now. You cannot patch that out.

the ones that were printed in my middle school government McGraw Hill textbook...

Re: Japanese, French and Omani vessels cross Strait of Hormuz

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Post by aurareturn »

nozzlegear wrote: post #112
aurareturn wrote: post #107

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Rather than blame this voter, why don't we put some blame onto the democrats. In San Francisco, progressive democrats have wasted billions on homeless and crime but with little to show for. Sometimes democrats do push too far left. Far left is not that much different than far right.

Horseshoe theory is real, but much like Seattle, SF's biggest problem is politically active NIMBYs (and SF has more than most places). Democrats and Republicans both have NIMBYs, it transcends political boundaries.

NIMBYs aren't causing homeless problems.

Re: Japanese, French and Omani vessels cross Strait of Hormuz

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Post by [deleted] »

Nursie wrote: post #114
aurareturn wrote: post #107

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Rather than blame this voter, why don't we put some blame onto the democrats. In San Francisco, progressive democrats have wasted billions on homeless and crime but with little to show for. Sometimes democrats do push too far left. Far left is not that much different than far right.

Because, uh, Democrats didn’t do this? I don’t really give a rats ass who runs the internals of your country, and what goes on in San Francisco seems like a you problem. Due to voters like this, Trump is now my problem many thousands of miles away. Don’t underestimate just how much ill will he is generating around the world, especially in allied nations, by insulting leaders and pushing up all of our energy prices.

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Re: Japanese, French and Omani vessels cross Strait of Hormuz

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Post by aurareturn »

qwerpy wrote: post #103
wrs wrote: post #90

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Are you familiar with the phrase “cutting off your nose to spite your face”?

Assuming that people vote a certain way out of spite is narrow-minded. Talk to people outside of your bubble and try to understand them instead of reducing them down to caricatures. I don’t judge people on the left the way that I get judged by them. I genuinely think that my choice of political party is better for my family’s quality of life.

I agree. I would vote republican locally, but I'd vote for anyone to replace Trump and his circle.

Re: Japanese, French and Omani vessels cross Strait of Hormuz

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Post by adrian_b »

SoftTalker wrote: post #83
bdbdbdb wrote: post #43

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This. We all thought Trump was a crazy accident but the fact that he almost beat Biden, and then did beat Harris, means we just can't trust Americans to put sensible people in charge. Assuming a democrat takes the office next, they will inherit an economy in tatters, a failing infrastructure and a broken strategic alliance. They'll have four years to try to fix all of that while the republicans blame them for everyth…

Neither Biden nor Harris were sensible candidates. Democrats could have easily beat Trump by running a more appealing/less polarizing candidate. Didn't even have to be both. Obama was polarizing but he was appealing and he won comfortably.

As a non-American I have always wondered about the criteria used by Americans to vote for their presidents.

Clinton and Obama had various defects, but at least both of them looked like presidents and talked like presidents.

On the other hand, both George Bush Junior and Trump (of course especially the latter), looked like clowns and talked like clowns.

I have never understood their appeal to the masses. I understand the discontent of those who have voted against the Democrat "elites", but the fact that anyone could look at Trump and believe that he is the right man for the job seems unbelievable, regardless of how inept were his opponents.

Re: Japanese, French and Omani vessels cross Strait of Hormuz

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Post by myvoiceismypass »

Jensson wrote: post #121
amalcon wrote: post #117

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Republicans have been calling democratic voters baby-killers for the entire time I have been aware of what a republican is. This sort of behavior has only gotten worse over time. They still manage to win elections. I get that there are real asymmetries here, but I really don't think there are substantial blocs of swing voters who use "who has insulted them less" as a real factor. If that were the case, Trump would no…

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Which Democrat leaders are "attacking white men a lot"?

Re: Japanese, French and Omani vessels cross Strait of Hormuz

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Post by cyberge99 »

shrubby wrote: post #130
e2le wrote: post #16

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We are 1 Year and 3 months into this current administration, 2 years and 9 months remain. Despite the short period in office, so much damage and chaos has being caused by one individual and the sycophants who surround him. It is a fact that the reputation of the USA has being damaged, perhaps not repairable for decades or more. This will have consequences. Perhaps, I hope, Americans will take action to save the democ…

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Honest? Trump is the most dishonest president in history. He literally says two diametrically opposite things: - we don’t need any oil - open up the strait or else severe consequences Which is it? Only fools think his opacity is a feature not a terrible bug.

Re: Japanese, French and Omani vessels cross Strait of Hormuz

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Post by watwut »

qwerpy wrote: post #76
watwut wrote: post #47

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Everything republican party do and everything republicans vote for ... are fault of the opposition. Always. Republicans are little helpless souls having no choice but cause maxinum harm as long as opposition in any for exists. Look at what that party collectively stands for now, who they kick out and who they keep. They all stand behind trump.

Unironically yes. I lived in the Seattle area and witnessed firsthand the effects of state/county/city Democrat rule. Gifted programs cancelled, streets full of homeless and drug addicts. Hateful people yelling at and flipping me off as I take my kids to daycare for the heinous crime of driving a Tesla. I’m a well educated highly paid minority, the kind of voter that Democrats take for granted. I voted Republican dow…

So, you did not voted for centrists and chosen to vote for nazi salute throwing radicals ... because there are non meek leftists groups.

The only way to win against Trump voters like you is to ignore them, because people like you will choose nazi until nazi are the only game in town.

Re: Japanese, French and Omani vessels cross Strait of Hormuz

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Post by ceejayoz »

ronnier wrote: post #29
iJohnDoe wrote: post #17

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Worst case there will be another Republican president from the same tribe. We could be in for the same exact chaos and damage for another four years. This could go on for a long time. Remember, Republicans get out and vote. They would rather suffer and destroy America just so the democrats don’t win.

I think a large part of why they do this and vote the way they do is because of comments like yours. Hacker news, Reddit, award shows, movies, universities, etc all have a constant drum beat of disdain and hate towards them. I think this motivates them into voting even if the vote is against their own interest.

Bless your heart, you're doing the cartoon.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/8/8/1786532/-Cartoon-Y...

Why are all the Democrats Fox News (and the actual President of the United States himself) does a "constant drum beat of disdain and hate towards" not doing the same thing? Why is this only a concern on one side?

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