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Re: Qwen3.6-Plus: Towards real world agents

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Post by drob518 »

zozbot234 wrote: post #35
Aurornis wrote: post #11

This is their hosted-only model, not an open weight model like they’ve become known for. They got a lot of good publicity for their open weight model releases, which was the goal. The hard part is pivoting from an open weight provider to being considered as a competitor to Claude and ChatGPT. Initial reactions are mostly anger from everyone who didn’t realize that the play along was to give away the smaller models as…

> not an open weight model like they’ve become known for. Right, they state that they'll release "smaller" variants openly at some point, with few details as to what that means. Will there be a ~300B variant as with Qwen 3.5? The blog post doesn't say.

As a publicity stunt, releasing a 300B open model is pretty smart. You can talk about its strong performance and it being “open” and “available,” but it’s so large that most people can’t use it themselves and might try out the cloud-based offering.

Re: Qwen3.6-Plus: Towards real world agents

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Post by danelliot »

scottcha wrote: post #53
throwaw12 wrote: post #45

I would love to hear from people using both (Claude Code OR Codex) AND (Qwen) and their experience with Qwen models, are they on par, or how far are they?

I switch between Claude Code (Opus/Sonnet) and Qwen (OpenCode, OpenClaw) multiple times throughout the day and Qwen 3.5 is really nice. I do also use KimiK2.5 and GLM5 pretty often too and I'm starting to get a sense that the agent tool is becoming a little more important than the model with these level of models. As long as tool calling and prompt quality is all configured correctly by the provider.

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Re: Qwen3.6-Plus: Towards real world agents

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Post by NonHyloMorph »

andsoitis wrote: post #129
Filligree wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China has never threatened war against my country; America has. Between the two, it’s clearly safer to lean towards the Chinese options if EU ones aren’t available.

That’s incredibly naïve.

How so?

Re: Qwen3.6-Plus: Towards real world agents

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Post by zozbot234 »

drob518 wrote: post #131
zozbot234 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> not an open weight model like they’ve become known for. Right, they state that they'll release "smaller" variants openly at some point, with few details as to what that means. Will there be a ~300B variant as with Qwen 3.5? The blog post doesn't say.

As a publicity stunt, releasing a 300B open model is pretty smart. You can talk about its strong performance and it being “open” and “available,” but it’s so large that most people can’t use it themselves and might try out the cloud-based offering.

The large models are actually MoE these days so they're usable on ordinary hardware with weights streaming from SSD, just very slow. You're nonethess right that it makes the cloud-based offering more popular, since you can use that for convenience after testing a few inferences locally.

Re: Qwen3.6-Plus: Towards real world agents

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Post by hadlock »

alexsmirnov wrote: post #56
Someone1234 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There isn't, pretty much everyone wants the best of the best. For direct user interaction or coding problems, perhaps. But as API calls get cheaper, it becomes more realistic to use them for completely automated workflows against data-sets, or as sub-agents called from expensive SOTA models. For example, in Claude, using Opus as an orchestrator to call Sonnet sub-agents, is a popular usage "hack." That only gets mo…

Exactly. I did create my own MCP with custom agents that combine several tools into a single one. For example, all WebSearch, WebFetch, Context7 exposed as a single "web research" tool, backed by the cheapest model that passes evaluation. The same for a codebase research Use it with both Claude and Opencode saves a lot of time and tokens.

I'd be interested in seeing the source for this if you have a moment

Re: Qwen3.6-Plus: Towards real world agents

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Post by GorbachevyChase »

Gracana wrote: post #76
jstummbillig wrote: post #64

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> Initial reactions are mostly anger from everyone who didn’t realize that the play along was to give away the smaller models as advertising, not because they were feeling generous. The naivety around this has been staggering quite frankly. All of a sudden, people thinking that meta etc are releasing free models because they believe in open access and distribution of knowledge. No, they just suck comparatively. There…

I don't think there's so much naivety. People can be aware of the the plan and still be frustrated and disappointed when it happens.

I’m waiting for the grand reversal where Anthropic abuses the Qwen API to train the next Haiku.

Re: Qwen3.6-Plus: Towards real world agents

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Post by [deleted] »

dietr1ch wrote: post #123
zozbot234 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> not an open weight model like they’ve become known for. Right, they state that they'll release "smaller" variants openly at some point, with few details as to what that means. Will there be a ~300B variant as with Qwen 3.5? The blog post doesn't say.

I wish they had a revenue goal to release openly, that way spending money in them would contribute to better open models in the long run. This is how I view that the public can fund and eventually get free stuff, just like properly organized private highways end up with the state/society owning a new highway after the private entity that built it got the profits they required to make the project possible.

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Re: Qwen3.6-Plus: Towards real world agents

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Post by freehorse »

cubefox wrote: post #17
Aurornis wrote: post #11

This is their hosted-only model, not an open weight model like they’ve become known for. They got a lot of good publicity for their open weight model releases, which was the goal. The hard part is pivoting from an open weight provider to being considered as a competitor to Claude and ChatGPT. Initial reactions are mostly anger from everyone who didn’t realize that the play along was to give away the smaller models as…

> I think there is a moderately large market for models like this that aren’t quite SOTA level but can be served up much cheaper. There isn't, pretty much everyone wants the best of the best.

Not all tasks require models like opus. If they do not, then it is more efficient to use cheaper and faster models. For most of my tasks now I use the big kimi/qwen/glm models because they are cheap and good enough, if not even the smaller locals ones.

I would say that for a significant part of the current market open-source models are good enough to fill a part of it.

Re: Qwen3.6-Plus: Towards real world agents

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Post by cyanydeez »

Aurornis wrote: post #11

This is their hosted-only model, not an open weight model like they’ve become known for. They got a lot of good publicity for their open weight model releases, which was the goal. The hard part is pivoting from an open weight provider to being considered as a competitor to Claude and ChatGPT. Initial reactions are mostly anger from everyone who didn’t realize that the play along was to give away the smaller models as…

The business model, howver, is lobster in a bucket. Any model that starts gaining as a private model will have competitors to release comparable open models because those locked in customers will not swotch unless you demo the capabilities.

So expect every now and then a open model burp from the trailing frontiers. Afterall, its all sunk cost so once you have it and no customers, theres zero reason not to spike your competition and try again or exit.

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