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Re: My son pleasured himself on Gemini Live. Entire family's Google accounts banned

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Post by x0x0 »

Fire-Dragon-DoL wrote: post #53

This is terrifying (I have 2 young kids, but they'll get there). How do I avoid that? When is a Google account considered linked? If I log into 2 google accounts and swap between them, are the accounts considered linked? Also, I have plenty of photos of my kids naked when they were little (my son refused to wear anything for 1 year), do I have to be concerned?

There was an instance of a parent taking pictures of an underage child's penis to show a rash to his pediatrician during covid who got his account hard banned.

That said, I bet there's millions of parents with at least one pic of a naked kid.

My bet is it's quasi-random, but if you get "lucky", nothing short of a extremely senior exec can reverse that decision. So probably we need to behave as if these accounts can just get yanked on a moment's notice at random.

Fastmail is great, btw.

Re: My son pleasured himself on Gemini Live. Entire family's Google accounts banned

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Post by apparent »

hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #128
apparent wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even just for offline access when on airplanes, when the internet/power is out. It's not just about rugpulls. Honestly it's a bit insulting to non-HN people to assume that they'd never want offline access or realize that having a single point of failure is a bad idea.

It’s reasonable to assume that a subset of the population thinks of these things. It is not unreasonable to assume that >50% of Gmail users have never considered it.

I didn't say anything about all or most gmail users. I specifically referred to a person who relies on gmail for his business, and who is apparently screwed without access to it. People who run businesses think through their risk exposure in general, and they get things like key man insurance policies to mitigate risks related to single points of failure. Anyone thinking through such things would realize that an email provider is a single point of failure.

Completely aside from strategic business planning, plenty of people realize that gmail doesn't provide offline access. It's obvious if you try to get into your email when you're not online. This is not the sole province of experts.

Re: My son pleasured himself on Gemini Live. Entire family's Google accounts banned

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Post by mcv »

Aurornis wrote: post #76
troad wrote: post #40

God, this is a real nightmare. I'm pretty reticent to rush to regulation, but I really don't know what other solution is even possible here. The average person cannot realistically exist in a digital vacuum, self-hosting their entire online world. Google should not be able to do this to them. No one should have to rely on trying to whip up public mobs on Reddit or HN to get Google to give them access to their own fre…

> I'm pretty reticent to rush to regulation, but I really don't know what other solution is even possible here. Before rushing to assume regulation is necessary, we should question if this story is real at all. It has a lot of signs of being a creative writing exercise like the conflicting details about all of their accounts being banned, including recovery emails, but then later they received an email explaining the…

The issue isn't whether it's true, but whether it's plausible. Could someone lose access to everything because of something like this? Obviously it's stupid to keep all your data in one place, but lots of people do it, and when that one place can shut you down and basically ruin your life, that's a serious concern.

Re: My son pleasured himself on Gemini Live. Entire family's Google accounts banned

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Post by Fire-Dragon-DoL »

x0x0 wrote: post #131
Fire-Dragon-DoL wrote: post #53

This is terrifying (I have 2 young kids, but they'll get there). How do I avoid that? When is a Google account considered linked? If I log into 2 google accounts and swap between them, are the accounts considered linked? Also, I have plenty of photos of my kids naked when they were little (my son refused to wear anything for 1 year), do I have to be concerned?

There was an instance of a parent taking pictures of an underage child's penis to show a rash to his pediatrician during covid who got his account hard banned. That said, I bet there's millions of parents with at least one pic of a naked kid. My bet is it's quasi-random, but if you get "lucky", nothing short of a extremely senior exec can reverse that decision. So probably we need to behave as if these accounts can j…

I wanted fastmail, but android integration is not great. I wish it integrated with contacts and it simply does not.

I recently had to choose between google workspace for my email and fastmail, I was really going all in on fastmail and then I hit something that really blocked me. I can't remember what it is though

Re: My son pleasured himself on Gemini Live. Entire family's Google accounts banned

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Post by Wicher »

kshacker wrote: post #115
troad wrote: post #40

God, this is a real nightmare. I'm pretty reticent to rush to regulation, but I really don't know what other solution is even possible here. The average person cannot realistically exist in a digital vacuum, self-hosting their entire online world. Google should not be able to do this to them. No one should have to rely on trying to whip up public mobs on Reddit or HN to get Google to give them access to their own fre…

Remember EU classified some companies as gatekeepers. Call them gatekeepers, monopolies, whatever - some companies are like "essential workers". They need to be available as much as essential workers were needed during covid. Which means at some point we need regulation that if you are an essential company, if you are a gatekeeper, you need to have a physical grievance office in your county if not the city, or you ne…

Totally.

Ideally it'd go like this:

Offer services for free (eg cross-subsidized by another business arm) in order to carve out a gigantic kingdom with millions of users, smothering any competition (only few use an indie email provider when there's "free" email, only few try to make a stand not using Whatsapp in whatsapp-saturated locales), and... Congratulations, now you've become too big too fail! And now you'll be treated as such. You're a critical part of society's functioning, and are to be regulated as such. Whether by accident, whether intentionally, whether it's because you're simply awesomely innovative or maybe you just massively cross-subsidized from another business branch, is irrelevant.

Once market capture has reached a certain point, yes, you need a physical grievance office, with state-backed arbitration/escalation. For instance.

Maybe you also can't just change the TOS anymore just like that, making people choose between coordinating a hasty move of the families' 4 TB of photos to... ? and being slowly boiled while $BIGBOY AI-trains on the family photos.

As a big boy, don't like this kind of regulation? Just shrink by selling off some business arms. Or stop hooking people by giving out "free" stuff. Or maybe don't base your growth strategy on gatekeepership and moats.

I surmise that big rules for big boys (while not burdening small players, thus, differential legislation) will actually massively help competition and innovation. But even if it doesn't — government, by the people, for the people, should get the final say in how we let citizens be treated. People with beating hearts over emotionless corps, always.

Re: My son pleasured himself on Gemini Live. Entire family's Google accounts banned

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Post by colechristensen »

Fire-Dragon-DoL wrote: post #83
colechristensen wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Also, I have plenty of photos of my kids naked when they were little (my son refused to wear anything for 1 year), do I have to be concerned? This is America, of course you have to be concerned. Google has family groups where you invite people to your family. I'm assuming they had that set up. I guess if you want to manage your children's accounts you have to do it from a burner Google account.

Which is insane. I already purchase my Pixel through a burner account due to this whole insanity... I do have backup of my photos and drive, but I appreciate Google Sheets and would like to keep using that.

I keep coming across things and the conclusion is that Claude and I can come up with something better... GMail is one of them. (and Google Reader and GitHub and ...)

I have my own git repo manager hosting several of my projects and reader up and running, mail is 80% to self hosting but I've been working on other things.

Turns out in the new world we can just build all of the software we want to use. Right now it takes a bit of expertise and a lot of evenings, but in not so long...

Re: My son pleasured himself on Gemini Live. Entire family's Google accounts banned

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Post by 72deluxe »

nikolay wrote: post #84

Google is the most untrustworthy company I've dealt with. I have Google One, and pay $250/mo for Ultra, which I barely use, yet I literally have no support. They set a very dangerous precedent: tech companies can have absolutely no support, can close your accounts, and can ban you without any way to even dispute it. Facebook simply copied Google once the precedent was set. Although I hate regulation, Google, Facebook…

Why are you even paying them a single penny if they're the most untrustworthy company you've dealt with?! That seems a lot of money to be giving a company you don't trust.

Re: My son pleasured himself on Gemini Live. Entire family's Google accounts banned

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Post by zvr »

Fire-Dragon-DoL wrote: post #135
x0x0 wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was an instance of a parent taking pictures of an underage child's penis to show a rash to his pediatrician during covid who got his account hard banned. That said, I bet there's millions of parents with at least one pic of a naked kid. My bet is it's quasi-random, but if you get "lucky", nothing short of a extremely senior exec can reverse that decision. So probably we need to behave as if these accounts can j…

I wanted fastmail, but android integration is not great. I wish it integrated with contacts and it simply does not. I recently had to choose between google workspace for my email and fastmail, I was really going all in on fastmail and then I hit something that really blocked me. I can't remember what it is though

It's pretty straightforward to sync the contacts on the phone with the contacts on Fastmail via CardDAV, using DAVx5 for example.
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