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Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

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Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

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Post by tuetuopay »

gamblor956 wrote: post #124

On Windows, you run the uninstaller, click once, and a few seconds later everything is uninstalled. You reboot to remove any remaining files immediately, or you can just wait until the next time you naturally reboot and it happens then. This has been how it works in the Windows world for several decades . Surprising that Apple still hasn't figured this out yet.

Ever tried to uninstall an antivirus on windows? Or any program that does not want to be uninstalled? I've had programs whose uninstall.exe was no different than /bin/true.

On this point, Windows is no better than macOS: the OS relies on the goodwill of the developers to provide working uninstallers. The only protection is a world where the OS provider does the application packaging: Linux repositories, Mac App Store, Windows Store. And even then, apps are still free to litter your filesystem at runtime, unless they're heavily sandboxed. Then FlatPak it is, or iOS apps or Android apps. Not great.

Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

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Post by SkiFire13 »

estimator7292 wrote: post #101
SkiFire13 wrote: post #98

> Localization files for every language on Earth - [...] - Samsung really wanted to make sure everyone on the planet could experience this suffering equally Why are you considering localization as bloat? I bet your reaction wouldn't be positive if your native language(s) were missing instead.

Zero percent of users require 100 percent of languages at all times.

Sure, let's go back to the old days where you had to download language packs for windows and office.

Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

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Post by didgetmaster »

user3939382 wrote: post #130
didgetmaster wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also headed up a disk imaging product for the same company called Drive Image. It wasn't quite as popular, but it was fun to develop as well.

You were competing with Norton Ghost at the time IIRC. Partition Magic was an amazing piece of software. It was so good when you explained “called Partition Magic” I was like “called”? It was so clearly the best of its kind it didn’t even occur to me that these years later people wouldn’t know of it, it felt like reading “I worked on a search engine called Google”. Anyway thanks for the great software.

I mainly mentioned it that way because once the company (PowerQuest) was bought out by Symantec, the product was mostly abandoned. Unlike Google, most programmers younger than 30 have never heard of it.

Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

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Post by pjmlp »

vbezhenar wrote: post #78
GeekyBear wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When a user mode application on the Mac doesn't just allow you to drag the app into the applications folder to install, it's a red huge red flag. Personally, I'd look for another alternative from a company that better understands the Mac. Chrome, for instance, previously used an installer that had to run with administrative permissions and famously ended up rendering systems unbootable. System utilities and drivers a…

Mac apps often do various things on your computer. Just because you dragged it to Bin, doesn't mean there are no leftovers on your computer. I'd prefer proper uninstaller any day.

Same applies to Windows or UNIX based packages, other than systems like iDevices, Android or UWP, where applications are sandboxed.

However people around here hate sandboxing on their OSes.

Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

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Post by acheron »

didgetmaster wrote: post #33

I worked on a disk utility in the 90s called PartitionMagic that was one of the first ones to let you dynamically resize disk partitions. Maybe Samsung used that when naming their product. I am old, but I miss the days when the install process was copy . to / and the uninstall process was delete /

I read the HN title and literally thought to myself “‘disk utility’? What, like PartitionMagic?”

Then this was the top comment.

Thanks for PartitionMagic; what a great program.

Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

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Post by pndy »

collabs wrote: post #115
vbezhenar wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mac apps often do various things on your computer. Just because you dragged it to Bin, doesn't mean there are no leftovers on your computer. I'd prefer proper uninstaller any day.

> Mac apps often do various things on your computer. Just because you dragged it to Bin, doesn't mean there are no leftovers on your computer. I'd prefer proper uninstaller any day. I think I know what you're talking about. There are likely files inside the ~/Library/Application Support/ or ~/Library/Caches/ folders for example. What is the proper, Apple way to make sure these get deleted when we delete apps? Because…

It wouldn't be hard to display "remove configuration and cache files?" modal during uninstall/trashing process. But it would be hard to go against own simplicity of platform usage idea - that's the problem.

KDE's Discover after you uninstall a flatpak application shows small infobar (still really easy to miss) saying "appname is not installed but it still has data present." with "Delete settings and user data" button.

But then, all sort of software even on Windows leaves some kind of traces of own presence.

In a perfect world we'd have a standardized application uninstall procedure - either by dropping icon on trash (which is something still many people do - especially on Windows) or by bringing similar to mobile solution with "x" on longer click. All of this controllable by options for advanced users including optional configuration and cache files removal.

Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

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Post by [deleted] »

bobbob1921 wrote: post #85
rmunn wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a .sh script, so he could have read it before running it. And when he saw "chown: Operation not permitted", he could have realized that the word Admin in the script was a clue that it needed, well, admin-level privileges, and he should try running it with sudo (after reading it first, naturally). I'm with you, I feel like this is someone who caused himself a lot of self-inflicted pain. I mean, if he had read the…

And what about for users that either can’t find this uninstall script or wouldn’t know how to read it or what the contents mean? While I think you do have a point, we also can’t assume that the uninstall script really would’ve removed all traces.

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Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

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Post by sheiyei »

Aperocky wrote: post #64
gwbas1c wrote: post #54

Years ago I shipped a MacOS product. If you deleted it, you would get an error emptying the recycle bin (or force-deleting the application bundle if you did an rm -R to it.) Why? Well, at the time Windows Explorer had an API for extensions, but MacOS didn't for Finder. We needed to add some menu items to the context menu, which on MacOS required reverse engineering Finder and injecting code into it. This then meant t…

As a mac user for 10+ years that cycled about 7 macs for personal and professional use, I've used Finder about biweekly to click on the airdrop button..

Please enlighten me on the alternatives (I hope it's not just iTerm2)

Re: Samsung Magician disk utility takes 18 steps and two reboots to uninstall

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Post by forentix »

It’s always the dummies who don’t know what they’re doing who write long screeds about how bad something is. The first indication the OP is a dummy was using “sh” to run the Samsung uninstall script instead of just invoking it directly, then not realizing he should’ve sudo’ed it. This is not a defense of Samsung, their software sucks, but this over the top.
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