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SPE with multidrop and PoDL would be awesome ! They are working on that and it will be everywhere.
Multidrop SPE isn't going to outperform newer CAN versions though. Somewhere in the sub-100Mb/s (e.g. 10-20Mb/s range) is the practical maximum speed of a multidrop bus at useful lengths, and that essentially applies equally to CAN or SPE. The only way to really get faster in a "multidrop-like" sense is with logically loop-like systems like ethercat and Fibre Channel where each network segment is point-to-point and t…
ESP32-S31: Dual-Core RISC-V SoC with Wi-Fi 6, Bluetooth 5.4, and Advanced HMI
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Re: ESP32-S31: Dual-Core RISC-V SoC with Wi-Fi 6, Bluetooth 5.4, and Advanced HMI
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Nah, ESP32's have had ethernet capability for a while and ESP-IDF supports it well. I've been using one I built for 5+ years now. Unfortunately RMII (ethernet phy) interface takes up a lot of the GPIO pins. This part looks like it'll remedy that issue. There's two ESP32 boards that have been around for a while with PoE: - https://www.tme.com/us/en-us/details/esp32-poe/development-k... - https://wesp32.com/ I'm more h…
> I'm more hopeful for single-pair ethernet to gain momentum though! I keep looking for a reasonably priced 10baseT to 10Base-T1L bridge... everything commercial seems too expensive (for me) and the two hobby designs [1] [2] I've seen are not orderable :( But I'm seeing more commercial options lately, so that's hopeful. [1] http://robruark.com/projects/10BASE-T1L/10BASE-T1L.html [2] https://matthewtran.dev/2024/08/10…
Re: ESP32-S31: Dual-Core RISC-V SoC with Wi-Fi 6, Bluetooth 5.4, and Advanced HMI
#133Re: ESP32-S31: Dual-Core RISC-V SoC with Wi-Fi 6, Bluetooth 5.4, and Advanced HMI
#134I don’t trust Espressif’s releases, I am still waiting for ESP32-P4 to hit distributors. It is now more than 2 years and 3rd chip revision
I have great news for you: after several years of growing frustration with Espressif's inability to launch this chip properly in NA, I found a company called Wireless Tag that presumably felt the same way and just did it themselves: https://en.wireless-tag.com/product-item-56.html I've now used this module in several projects. I love it. And I love (x3) the P4. It is amazingly powerful. A lot of folks talk about the…
I believe, the problem is that there isn't a comparable chip with WiFi/BT (ignoring S3, because, you know, Xtensa), not that P4 itself doesn't have them.
Re: ESP32-S31: Dual-Core RISC-V SoC with Wi-Fi 6, Bluetooth 5.4, and Advanced HMI
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> On the other hand, _all_ the WiFi devices that I had at some point fell off the network, at least once. Including doorbells and cameras. While PoE devices just work. I've not had that in a decade, and only for really shitty devices. I've also had crappy PoE devices stop working, ports blow. Too much effort to be worth the bother for me nowadays. If I had to bet my life sure I'd probably use wired ethernet. But if I…
> I've not had that in a decade, and only for really shitty devices. I've also had crappy PoE devices stop working, ports blow. Every ESP32-based WiFi device _will_ at some point get stuck in the disconnected state. It's almost an ironclad guarantee. > UPS is entirely possible to do on residential mains circuits. Sure, but then you're getting into the "whole house" backup with subpanel, transfer switches, etc. You ca…
See earlier note about crappy devices.
> Sure, but then you're getting into the "whole house" backup with subpanel, transfer switches, etc. You can install backup for your router as a small UPS, but then I also have cameras, doorbells, sensors, etc.
Well you can get small UPS for them too, but sure there are probably some points you can find around your corner of the envelope where PoE makes sense. That's not where many people are though.
> If you already have a house without Ethernet wiring, then opening up the walls just to run PoE makes no sense. But if you're building a new house or if you have pre-existing wiring (and a lot of newish houses do), then PoE is a no-brainer.
Not many new houses do at all because it costs money nobody really wants to pay. A builder will put some in if you ask but not off their own bat because they think it'll make the house worth more, because it won't. So unless some super nerd like your or I ask, no houses will be wired for ethernet. There was a brief window where wifi was non-existent or pretty slow and terrible where it got slightly popular, but that's long past.
If I was building a new house I would wire ethernet from a small server room/cupboard to just several places for wifi APs, plus ethernet and fiber from there to office. No PoE, they would all have USB-C power from same/adjacent wall plate as ethernet. And would probably look at solar+battery system with UPS capability, especially if I lived somewhere with shitty mains power. But even that is not appropriate for normies. They'd just buy a few mesh/repeater wifi things, not care that much about power going out once every few years, and be done with it.
Re: ESP32-S31: Dual-Core RISC-V SoC with Wi-Fi 6, Bluetooth 5.4, and Advanced HMI
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That's literally and exactly what I said.
To be fair to GP, I too was confused by your use of brackets here.
Formal grammar / technical documentation style guides consistently define:
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Re: ESP32-S31: Dual-Core RISC-V SoC with Wi-Fi 6, Bluetooth 5.4, and Advanced HMI
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Maybe Espressif will notice that there are no RV32 chips with MMU so far (at least to my knowledge); we only have 32 bit MCUs or then only 64 bits for the CPUs. Something like Cortex-A7 is missing.
There’s one incoming, https://baochip.github.io/baochip-1x/ It would be great to see more.
Re: ESP32-S31: Dual-Core RISC-V SoC with Wi-Fi 6, Bluetooth 5.4, and Advanced HMI
#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have great news for you: after several years of growing frustration with Espressif's inability to launch this chip properly in NA, I found a company called Wireless Tag that presumably felt the same way and just did it themselves: https://en.wireless-tag.com/product-item-56.html I've now used this module in several projects. I love it. And I love (x3) the P4. It is amazingly powerful. A lot of folks talk about the…
> A lot of folks talk about the P4 not having radios as a problem; I personally think that it's an advantage. I believe, the problem is that there isn't a comparable chip with WiFi/BT (ignoring S3, because, you know, Xtensa), not that P4 itself doesn't have them.
What I have seen directly is a lot of folks reacting negatively to the P4 because it doesn't have radios. They seem to be coming from a "what could it possibly be useful for if it can't [wifi/BT]". While it's easy to see this as a failure of imagination, it does seem true that a lot of folks equate the ESP32 line as what you use when you want to create an IoT device. While that's not wrong or necessarily bad, I've always felt like it's a weird way to pigeonhole an entire SoC family that might be self-limiting.
Re: ESP32-S31: Dual-Core RISC-V SoC with Wi-Fi 6, Bluetooth 5.4, and Advanced HMI
#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nah, ESP32's have had ethernet capability for a while and ESP-IDF supports it well. I've been using one I built for 5+ years now. Unfortunately RMII (ethernet phy) interface takes up a lot of the GPIO pins. This part looks like it'll remedy that issue. There's two ESP32 boards that have been around for a while with PoE: - https://www.tme.com/us/en-us/details/esp32-poe/development-k... - https://wesp32.com/ I'm more h…
> I'm more hopeful for single-pair ethernet to gain momentum though! I keep looking for a reasonably priced 10baseT to 10Base-T1L bridge... everything commercial seems too expensive (for me) and the two hobby designs [1] [2] I've seen are not orderable :( But I'm seeing more commercial options lately, so that's hopeful. [1] http://robruark.com/projects/10BASE-T1L/10BASE-T1L.html [2] https://matthewtran.dev/2024/08/10…
Re: ESP32-S31: Dual-Core RISC-V SoC with Wi-Fi 6, Bluetooth 5.4, and Advanced HMI
#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
To be fair to GP, I too was confused by your use of brackets here.
I wasn't trying to be obtuse. Formal grammar / technical documentation style guides consistently define: [ ... ] = optional { ... } = repetition | = alternatives