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If Libreoffice, in addition to not have feature parity with MS Office, now has a similar per-seat pricing... what exactly is the value proposition?
I don't know. What value does non-paying enterprise users give to Libreoffice?
I disagree with take on Wikipedia or Wikimedia there was a lot of trash talk because they were totally obnoxious with their fundraising. I donated once to Wikipedia and then I was getting Jimmy Wales in my mailbox basically like everyday. That actually drove me away from ever wanting to donate to them. Then there was a lot of talking if they really are so much in need of money but that's different topic. In contrast…
I have this same feeling with donating blood (in most EU countries you don't get paid for this so it is completely charitable). If you have donated blood, every 2-3 months they will send you an e-mail for a new donation cycle. That's fine. But if you don't respond, they will send another reminder. Then a text. Then they will call you. Yes, you can just click the "Not this time" button, and click the reason for denyin…
Not related to donations but product wise Libreoffice just feels so clunky and Java-ish to use. I switched to OnlyOffice a year ago and other than its almost complete lack of settings it's been so much nicer to use.
> and other than its almost complete lack of settings And being made by Russians and used by Russian government.
The demand of users is infinite, even if they don't pay, in fact the less they pay the more demanding they may be. You know when users gang up on Freemium companies that monetize with ads? Acting like ads are the evil of the world, it's just because they want free stuff and don't want to 'pay' with ads. This is an even more extreme example, they want free stuff and they become entitled to it, it's very common in Open…
If you see it that way, I think that you shouldn't be involved in any open source project and instead let others do it. There are plenty of people that want to contribute in a open source project not because of the users but simply for their own need or because they believe in the project.
But there's a category of software that's not fun to build and that users need.
Excel clone falls into the latter.
It's easier to pay for that work than to pretend that the work itself is the payment.
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You are in a bubble. Most office workers want Word documents and Excel spreadsheets (or something equivalent) not markdown and numpy.
People been running libreoffice just fine in french administration. They even prefer it to office because they are used to it now.
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People been running libreoffice just fine in french administration. They even prefer it to office because they are used to it now.
That supports my point: Office workers want to use an office suite for office work. They don't want to edit markdown and JSON.
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It doesn't look professional when you loose your temper, this article is comparable to that. When reading it, I kept thinking that the writer was too emotionally involved.
> It doesn't look professional when you loose your temper, this article is comparable to that. Nobody's lost their temper. In no world does the article read like anyone has. That's you applying your own interpretive lens to the text, not what the text actually says. (But actually, alienating the troublesome portions of their userbase might actually help them and the LibreOffice community over the longer term. C.f., f…
> Media coverage has largely omitted the fact that LibreOffice has been displaying donation requests for years.
Bringing thunderbird under the bus
> Nobody is making the comparison with Mozilla Thunderbird, which has asked its users for donations practically every time it starts up, with clearly visible banners
And then Wikipedia
> The same logic applies to Wikipedia.
Answering to 'comments'
> Some comments have even suggested
C'mon don't tell me it's professional, it looks amateurish.
First rule: you don't give out names.
Second rule: You don't push the fault on other even when it's their.
Third rule: you don't answer to 'comments', 'tweets', and so on. You say 'we heard feedback that this and this'.
I say it again, it feels like it's been written by a guy alone, no supervision whatsoever, and who didn't have the The necessary step back.
Just yesterday I used Jellyfin2Samsung to install Moonlight on my TV. After the installation, the app shown a popup to donate to the author ("buy me a beer"). And I figured why not? The software turned a tedious process into a one-click solution, letting me do what I wanted to do (stream games to my TV) rather than spending an evening messing with Tizen Studio. Absolutely worth a few dollars. KDE's Plasma will popup…
Would have been a better comparison than Wikimedia I guess, but aside that, the LibreOffice team still has a valid point that the reactions are unjustified.
In a week nobody will talk about it anymore though, so LO team, just sit it through :)
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> It doesn't look professional when you loose your temper, this article is comparable to that. Nobody's lost their temper. In no world does the article read like anyone has. That's you applying your own interpretive lens to the text, not what the text actually says. (But actually, alienating the troublesome portions of their userbase might actually help them and the LibreOffice community over the longer term. C.f., f…
Bashing media for having done their job badly > Media coverage has largely omitted the fact that LibreOffice has been displaying donation requests for years. Bringing thunderbird under the bus > Nobody is making the comparison with Mozilla Thunderbird, which has asked its users for donations practically every time it starts up, with clearly visible banners And then Wikipedia > The same logic applies to Wikipedia. Ans…
Making a statement of fact about media coverage isn't "bashing". And when you start off your argument by characterising it that way you've already lost.
I disagree with take on Wikipedia or Wikimedia there was a lot of trash talk because they were totally obnoxious with their fundraising. I donated once to Wikipedia and then I was getting Jimmy Wales in my mailbox basically like everyday. That actually drove me away from ever wanting to donate to them. Then there was a lot of talking if they really are so much in need of money but that's different topic. In contrast…
I have this same feeling with donating blood (in most EU countries you don't get paid for this so it is completely charitable). If you have donated blood, every 2-3 months they will send you an e-mail for a new donation cycle. That's fine. But if you don't respond, they will send another reminder. Then a text. Then they will call you. Yes, you can just click the "Not this time" button, and click the reason for denyin…