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How to Keep ICE Agents Out of Your Devices at Airports

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Re: How to Keep ICE Agents Out of Your Devices at Airports

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Post by mindslight »

hedora wrote: post #84
mindslight wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your assertion of age is way off. Most people are going to be well into adulthood by the time they've flown enough to perceive the "security" process as its own thing.

DHS was created after 9/11. Most car rental places won't rent to people under the age of 25. There's maybe a few month period between the birth day cutoff and the founding of the DHS.

Read my comment again. The assertion I was responding to was "Do you not remember", not were you not alive.

I'm well past the minimum age for renting a car, but I would not say that I remember airport security before the TSA - because I didn't experience it enough for it to have left any impression.

I do remember a much more recent trip to a foreign country, where on the return we were just walking through an airport hallway when I realized we had just gone through the security point. That is the way to do things.

Re: How to Keep ICE Agents Out of Your Devices at Airports

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Post by bens74 »

thiht wrote: post #129
abc123abc123 wrote: post #96

Ditch the phone. The liability, tracking and mental health problems created due to modern phones has made owning one unsustainable. Email works, at worst, voip providers exist. Do you need a map? Print one. Do you need directions? Ask someone. Does the restaurant only offer app or qr, ask someone, or go somewhere else. I have never encountered a phone-related problem that could not be solved with: 1. A print out. 2.…

Insane take, you can’t expect anyone to agree with this.

I don't agree a phone free life is an insane idea at all. It is in fact extremely reasonable, rational, and admirable. The parent makes it sound easier than it is though. You might consider that part "insane".

I have tried really really hard to break the phone addiction too. Though so far without durable success, unfortunately. :-(

Re: How to Keep ICE Agents Out of Your Devices at Airports

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Post by vkou »

raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #88
hedora wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note that the performance / dollar is much worse for immigrants than for citizens. You still have to pay for things like social security, etc, but you don't get to collect those benefits. Before someone says "but illegal immigrants don't those taxes!", note that they actually do: If not, then their employer is engaged in tax fraud, which is much easier to prove and prosecute than trying to track down and check the im…

If they are employing people who are not eligible to work , they are already committing fraud

'Who' is doing work is hard to enforce.

'How you pay them' is easy. Most businesses do not handle enough cash to be able to pay a lot of staff off the books, and if you are doing it through the regular financial system, the tax man will find it very easy to make sure that you pay your dues.

Re: How to Keep ICE Agents Out of Your Devices at Airports

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Post by JKCalhoun »

thiht wrote: post #129
abc123abc123 wrote: post #96

Ditch the phone. The liability, tracking and mental health problems created due to modern phones has made owning one unsustainable. Email works, at worst, voip providers exist. Do you need a map? Print one. Do you need directions? Ask someone. Does the restaurant only offer app or qr, ask someone, or go somewhere else. I have never encountered a phone-related problem that could not be solved with: 1. A print out. 2.…

Insane take, you can’t expect anyone to agree with this.

(Raises hand) Ummm…

Maybe it's because I went nearly 50 years with no cell phone?

It seems reasonable to shut the phone off—check it through with your luggage.

(One of my favorite travel memories was trying to ask people in Tokyo for directions to my hotel—I speak only English.)

Re: How to Keep ICE Agents Out of Your Devices at Airports

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Post by nobody9999 »

triceratops wrote: post #114
Brian_K_White wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the whole hemisphere is not "Mexico". USA and Canada are not also "North Mexico". Their harmless little reminder is more correct than any of the attempted arguments against it.

It was the first group of united states on the continent. North America was, relative to the land that became Mexico, thinly peopled. Unlike in Mexico there was no pre-colonial, indigenous empire that had ruled and named the land which eventually became the 13 colonies. So there wasn't necessarily a better alternative to put after "United States of" at the time. Do you know of one?

>Unlike in Mexico there was no pre-colonial, indigenous empire that had ruled and named the land which eventually became the 13 colonies.

Actually, there were multiple indigenous political entities both along the Eastern Seaboard (where we find those 13 colonies) as well as across what is now the US and Canada[0].

We just took their land and killed most of them, but they were still pretty organized -- with political groupings of various types.

[0] https://scholar.flatworldknowledge.com/books/32177/ourhistor...

Re: How to Keep ICE Agents Out of Your Devices at Airports

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

mindslight wrote: post #130
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Passkeys are stored in your Apple Keychain. I don’t think you have to go through 2FA if you use a Passkey with Google. I can throw my iPhone in the ocean, go to the nearest cell phone store/Apple Store and log into my Apple account and you won’t be able to tell the difference between my old phone and new phone - all apps, data, icon positions, passwords, photos, settings, bookmarks, history, messages etc will be rest…

I don't really know how Passkeys or Apple Keychain works. But regardless I would think there has to be some other step to go from merely knowing a password to being able to access a cloud account (which includes the Keychain), no? Are you saying that you can throw your phone in the ocean, have access to no other devices (including a SIM card), obtain a new phone, input your email+password, and reliably have that new…

That’s exactly what I’m saying. It’s worked that way since 2011.

If you go into the Apple Store or your carrier, they hand you new phone, you log in to your iCloud account and it asks you which back up you want to use if you have multiple backups. You might these days have to enter your passcode from your old device.

You or they call your carrier or depending on your carrier you can register your e-sim directly from your phone.

Re: How to Keep ICE Agents Out of Your Devices at Airports

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

vkou wrote: post #135
raw_anon_1111 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they are employing people who are not eligible to work , they are already committing fraud

'Who' is doing work is hard to enforce. 'How you pay them' is easy. Most businesses do not handle enough cash to be able to pay a lot of staff off the books, and if you are doing it through the regular financial system, the tax man will find it very easy to make sure that you pay your dues.

Every employer I worked for has forced me to prove I was eligible to work.

Re: How to Keep ICE Agents Out of Your Devices at Airports

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

bdangubic wrote: post #115
abc123abc123 wrote: post #96

Ditch the phone. The liability, tracking and mental health problems created due to modern phones has made owning one unsustainable. Email works, at worst, voip providers exist. Do you need a map? Print one. Do you need directions? Ask someone. Does the restaurant only offer app or qr, ask someone, or go somewhere else. I have never encountered a phone-related problem that could not be solved with: 1. A print out. 2.…

You drive car or walk everywhere you go? Car is convenience, yes but it is the privacy nightmare (unless you gamble and drive without plates :) )

> unless you gamble and drive without plates

New cars are being fitted with cell modems to ping cell towers.

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