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LG's new 1Hz display is the secret behind a new laptop's battery life

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Re: LG's new 1Hz display is the secret behind a new laptop's battery life

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Firefox Android + ublock origin. There's ads on the internet? Wouldn't know.

Very weird to see people on hackernews of all places complain about ads on the internet. We solved this like 15 years ago.

Hacker news attracts all sorts of curious people, including luddites like myself! ^_^

Re: LG's new 1Hz display is the secret behind a new laptop's battery life

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PSR (panel self-refresh) lets you send a single frame from software and tell the display to keep using that. You don’t need to render 60 times the same frame in software just to keep that visible on screen.

How often is that used? Is there a way to check? With the amount of bullshit animations all OSes come with these days, enabled by default, and most applications being webapp with their own secondary layer of animations, and with the typical developer's near-zero familiarity with how floating point numbers behave, I imagine there's nearly always some animation somewhere, almost but not quite eased to a stop, that's ma…

Normally, your posts are very coherent, but this one flies on the rails. (Half joking: Did someone hack your account!?) I don't understand your rant here:

    > With the amount of bullshit animations all OSes come with these days, enabled by default, and most applications being webapp with their own secondary layer of animations, and with the typical developer's near-zero familiarity with how floating point numbers behave
I use KDE/GNU/Linux, and I don't see a lot of unnecessary animations. Even at work where I use Win11, it seems fine. "[M]ost applications being webapp": This is a pretty wild claim. Again, I don't think any apps that I use on Linux are webapps, and most at work (on Win11) are not.

Re: LG's new 1Hz display is the secret behind a new laptop's battery life

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> That will help save enormous amounts of power: up to 48 percent on a single charge, Why does refresh rate have such a large impact on power consumption? I understand that the control electronics are 60x more active at 60 Hz than 1 Hz, but shouldn't the light emission itself be the dominant source of power consumption by far?

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Re: LG's new 1Hz display is the secret behind a new laptop's battery life

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OLED is fundamentally not sample and hold, because it is using PWM, right? Ignoring switching costs, keeping a sample-and-hold LED at 0%, 50% and 100% brightness all cost zero energy. For an OLED, the costs are closer to linear in the duty cycle (again, ignoring switching costs, but those are happening much faster than the framerate for OLED, right?) (Also, according to another comment, the panel manufacturer says th…

I don't believe LED-pixel displays use PWM. I would expect them to use bit planes: for each pixel transform the gamma-compressed intensity to the linear photon-proportional domain. Represent the linear intensity as a binary number. Start with the most significant bit, and all pixels with that bit get a current pulse, then for the next bitplane all the pixels having the 2nd bit set are turned on with half that current…

So for an 8bit color display you have 24 lines of various currents going across each row (or column) of pixels?

Re: LG's new 1Hz display is the secret behind a new laptop's battery life

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Horrid website: forced cookies, invisible adverts (Mamma Mia, anyone?), and that thing where it’s a page of garbage links when you go back. I will never click a PC World URL again.

It’s truly unusable. What a mess the web has become.

Re: LG's new 1Hz display is the secret behind a new laptop's battery life

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> That will help save enormous amounts of power: up to 48 percent on a single charge, Why does refresh rate have such a large impact on power consumption? I understand that the control electronics are 60x more active at 60 Hz than 1 Hz, but shouldn't the light emission itself be the dominant source of power consumption by far?

I used to be a display architect about 15 years back (for Qualcomm mirasol, et al), so my knowledge of the specifics / numbers is outdated. Sharing what I know. High pixel density displays have disproportionately higher display refresh power (not just proportional to the total number of pixels as the column lines capacitances need to be driven again for writing each row of pixels). This was an important concern as hi…

What's interesting about these newer 1Hz claims is that they're basically trying to sidestep the exact problems you mention

Re: LG's new 1Hz display is the secret behind a new laptop's battery life

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Haven't phones, watches and tablets been using low refresh rates to enable battery improvements for a while? The Apple Watch Series 5 (2019) has a refresh rate down to 1Hz. M4 iPad Pro lacks always-on display despite OLED panel with variable refresh rate (2024): https://9to5mac.com/2024/05/09/m4-ipad-pro-always-on-display...

What LG is pitching here is basically bringing that 1Hz floor capability to large laptop panels
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