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Tin Can, a 'landline' for kids

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Re: Tin Can, a 'landline' for kids

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post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The jukebox I got for my basement is not a restricted Spotify-enabled smart speaker. It's a different device that does something different.

First, you got it for yourself, so you chose to use a jukebox (or in other words : restrict your listening to specific titles on physical media) instead to impose it to other, which make a big difference in what people see as a restrictions(instead of a choice, which is self inflicted). Chosing a Tin Can is obviously to restrict your kid usage of communication, it's the nature of the purchase of the device.

First of all, comparing a locked-down smartphone with a fully capable smartphone is different from comparing a smartphone with a 'landline phone'. That's like apples to apples compared to apples to oranges.

Secondly as far as I understand, you need the same type of phone at both ends to communicate with each other. Looks like the tin-can and other similar devices are designed to talk only to each other. While that is a restriction, it eliminates the avenue for a comparison. The friends are all on equal ground.

Thirdly, you're talking as if parental controls, especially unequal parental controls are a bad thing. Parental controls aren't like government or corporate restrictions. There is a necessary assumption that parents act in the best interests of the kids, unlike the other two.

Some parents are irresponsible and may allow their kids to consume alcohol or drugs. Will you allow your kids to do it too, because it may end up in comparisons? You have to talk to your kids about why that is a bad idea. It's wrong to assume that kids won't listen at all. Don't most kids refrain from drinking, smoking and driving till they come of age?

If this sort of control seems unfair or unethical to you, you're basically exposing your kids to serious dangers. And brain rot is a very serious problem that HN doesn't talk enough about. It ruins even the seniors. But for kids, it wreaks havoc with their IQ and personality.

Re: Tin Can, a 'landline' for kids

#132
post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The jukebox I got for my basement is not a restricted Spotify-enabled smart speaker. It's a different device that does something different.

First, you got it for yourself, so you chose to use a jukebox (or in other words : restrict your listening to specific titles on physical media) instead to impose it to other, which make a big difference in what people see as a restrictions(instead of a choice, which is self inflicted). Chosing a Tin Can is obviously to restrict your kid usage of communication, it's the nature of the purchase of the device.

Choosing a Tin Can for a child that doesn't have a phone isn't restricting them, it's empowering them with a new form of communication to chat to their friends. Getting my 10 year old a bicycle instead of a car isn't a restriction.

Re: Tin Can, a 'landline' for kids

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post #96

Why does it seem like many parents are unaware that a hand me down iPhone can be heavily locked down with screen time settings? A list of things you can do: - allowed list of apps, can reduce it to just phone, imessage, and utilities like weather app - effectively permanent downtime, just set the end time less than start time such as 3:00 am to 2:59 am (technically 1 minute of non downtime). This blocks apps except f…

For some people like me, iOS parental controls are utterly and completely broken. I have tried to make it work over three or four years and just as many iOS releases - no dice. About a dozen times in those years, the system silently failed open either completely or partially (eg. some restrictions still applied, but whitelists in Safari were no longer enforced, the app store was suddenly accessible again or time limi…

The opposite is also true: Apple’s parental controls fail closed in inscrutable and impossible to debug ways. Yesterday, in order to share an iPad’s location with my iPhone, I had to totally disable managing Screen Time on the device. Every time I would click “share with ”, the damn thing would tell me “Location settings can’t be updated right now, try again later”. No other combination of “solutions” on the Apple support forum, the random blogspam links, or the oh-so-helpful search-AI-summary thing even made a dent. I suspect something in the underlying data model was out of sync with the UI or something. Incredibly frustrating experience from the “it just works” vendor.

Re: Tin Can, a 'landline' for kids

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> She said she heard about the Tin Can on a Facebook group.

Nice to safe the kids from that... But who will save the adults? ^^

Yes, social media is bad for kids. You start to realize that. It only took 15 years. The thing is: It's equally bad for you...

And you prove that every minute. Whenever you say something, and after three sentences, basically every topic ends up in something related to Instatoktube.

My only hope is that what we are currently see rising is similar to what happened to alcoholism and chain smoking.

Re: Tin Can, a 'landline' for kids

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post #105
post #58

I'm a happy Tin Can customer. For young children (5 and 7 in my case) it's especially delightful to give them a measure of autonomy, at an age where they don't yet have a mobile phone. They get to call their friends and family on their own terms, without any safety or "screen time" concerns. It's especially fun to watch them discover the very concept of a landline: the keypad (they thought it was a pin code); the dia…

Another comment claims they record calls. Big yikes.

Big yikes is an understatement.

I would rather just have an old iPad and trust my child to use it responsibly.

Overall I think that while the Zoomers are doomed, because they grew up in the height of social media frenzy, generation alpha put two and two together and collectively noticed that screen time = no attention from parents. Some are okay with that, but others, like my kid prefer having attention above all.

Re: Tin Can, a 'landline' for kids

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dug out an old Motofone (the $40 eink candybar) for this reason, only to discover that it’s 2G, which has been decommissioned. Too bad, would’ve been fun to watch the kid learn T9.

Modern dumbphones exist: https://www.hmd.com/en_int/nokia-3210

Of course they do. But this is HN - not as neat as using the 15-year-old phone I have.

Re: Tin Can, a 'landline' for kids

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> Alarmingly, some Gen Zers don't say "hello" when they answer a phone call; they expect the caller to just start talking. I'm an older Gen-X and I've stopped doing this unless I recognize the caller. I'm not going to give a scammer anything to build a voice print on. I also use the stock greeting for voicemail instead of a personal one.

Also most spam calls seem to just hang up when a call connects to silence.

I had two silent, barring some office appliance noises, voicemails just today.

The number was on a spam list, but somehow managed to leave a "message".

The most surprising thing is that it was obviously a person calling and not a bot, as I was hearing the rustle of something (mouse?) being moved over a desk.

Re: Tin Can, a 'landline' for kids

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If you live in Germany and have a Fritz!Box router, you can just buy a second old-ish Fritz!Box and a simple landline phone (from the likes of eBay, Kleinanzeigen...) and hook them up via WiFi. Voilà, telephone service as it used to be. No proprietary payphone with questionable ToS and privacy policies needed.

Why does one need the second (old-ish) Fritz!Box? Doesn't the first one already have DECT?

Also, does this not require a landline number?

Re: Tin Can, a 'landline' for kids

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post #134

> She said she heard about the Tin Can on a Facebook group. Nice to safe the kids from that... But who will save the adults? ^^ Yes, social media is bad for kids. You start to realize that. It only took 15 years. The thing is: It's equally bad for you... And you prove that every minute. Whenever you say something, and after three sentences, basically every topic ends up in something related to Instatoktube. My only h…

It's not "equally" bad for adults.

Just like alcohol and tobacco, it's bad for adults but way worse for kids.

Re: Tin Can, a 'landline' for kids

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post #117

Why not using the actual land line? I still have one. My 13 year old son, who has no phone, uses it and it works. I'm just curious.

Depends on the country, but landlines are no long available for new customers and the cables are actively being removed.
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