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North Korean's 100k fake IT workers net $500M a year for Kim

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This is a little baffling to me, if you're suggesting this is an actual method people employ to make a living. Interviewing is difficult and stressful. Or maybe their approach is a shotgun strategy, so they don't care?

If they're living in NK then maybe their alternatives for making a living are mostly much worse than this?

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Re: North Korean's 100k fake IT workers net $500M a year for Kim

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North Korea runs like a big organized crime family that specializes in forced labor human trafficking and drugs. I've read that they even operate overseas businesses that send slaves that aren't allowed to leave those businesses such as for timber harvesting in the Russian far east and various businesses in South East Asia. The Latin American cartels operate almost like miniature North Koreas.

Don't forget crypto fraud as well (maybe the least bad, out of all of these)

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Come to think of it, what is a leftoid like you even doing defending North Korea? You should be disowning them. You should be pointing out that North Korea is a de facto monarchy and therefore definitionally Right Wing. You should be arguing North Korea as yet another failed extremist right wing regime. Why do I have to explain your own ideology to you? Is it that you like to get dominated? Come to me, dumb slut, we…

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Re: North Korean's 100k fake IT workers net $500M a year for Kim

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It is slavery. Chattel slavery is much more severe than what we normally consider slavery. Yet “slavery” and chattel slavery are both still slavery. The reason what you’re saying is so accepted is because we are currently living under a universal liberal world order that says wage slavery id freedom.

I hope you notice I didn't mention chattel slavery. Even prior to it, all forms of slavery were about removing the agency of person and subjugating the will of the slave to the owner. That requires an active action. Not hiring someone is a passive action. As said by many, you are not entitled to a wage. In fact, suggesting otherwise would actually require slavery. Wage slavery, instead, is a description of a particul…

needs moar meta…

cause it‘s a bitter sweet symphony that‘s life…

Re: North Korean's 100k fake IT workers net $500M a year for Kim

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A buddy of mine recently got a suspicious request which I'm pretty sure is how these NK workers are getting jobs. In this case, the dev is allegedly from Japan. But I don't think the NK folk are out there proudly stating they are from NK.

"Thank you for your reply. You’ll only need to spend about 1–2 hours maximum in a day for our collaboration.

We need a person who has experience in software development. so I tried to find a collaborator on github and also found your profile on it.

I will explain why I'm looking for a collaborator.

The reason is that the job market between the US and Japan is significantly different - often 2 to 3 times in rates. Because of this, I focused on working with US clients. I usually work at night and sleep during the day due to the time zone difference. However, even though I adjust my schedule, US clients often hesitate to hire me because they're uncomfortable with the time zone difference or concerned about communication due to our non-native English.

To solve this, I tried to collaborate with an US developer who communicates with clients, while I focus on the development work. You wouldn't need to develop anything yourself unless you want. You don’t need to develop any code or communicate with the client. All you need to do is attend the meetings on video calls. You’ll only need to spend about 1–2 hours maximum in a day for our collaboration.

In return for your participation, I’d like to propose the following arrangement: for the first job we secure, we’ll split the total income 50/50 after taxes. Starting from the second job, you’ll receive 30% and I’ll receive 70% of the total income.

I'm not looking for a random US person - I'm specifically looking for someone with solid development experience. Even though I don't require any coding from the collaborator, without development experience they can't handle client communication properly or understand project requirements.

That's why I found your profile on GitHub and decided to reach out to you.

Could we have a meeting to discuss more in more detail? I have a clear strategy to get a success and looking forward to your reply"

Re: North Korean's 100k fake IT workers net $500M a year for Kim

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I’m a little unclear on the usage of the word “fake” here. Going by article, these are real people doing actual real work, they often use stolen identities to conceal information about themselves, and they get help from outside sources to do their jobs better. Whatever the right word is, it’s not “fake”. Maybe fraudulent? Or ulterior motives? Or deceptive? Or pretext? Or threat actor? Or foreign agents?

You said it yourself "they often use stolen identities to conceal information about themselves", fake identity.

Re: North Korean's 100k fake IT workers net $500M a year for Kim

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> hundreds stave to death there daily Yeah, you will need a solid source for that. This isn't the 1990s, while malnutrition may happen, and there have been occasional shortages (covid was one example), it's unlikely people are starving to death in 2026, let alone multiple, let alone per day. On top of that: North Korea is not that isolated as people think. North Koreans have smartphones and plenty of those living nea…

what a weird argument just to argue you really have to ignore international news for years to argue starvation in North Korea isn't real keep BBC News on in the background each morning and you'll learn stuff never mentioned anywhere on US news https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-65881803 https://www.hrw.org/news/2021/04/12/north-koreas-leader-warn... it's been going on for decades and yes even though 2026

You confirmed the point in my previous post, thank you.

> there's zero direct evidence for starvation happening.

All evidence, including both your links, is always missing or indirect at best.

Re: North Korean's 100k fake IT workers net $500M a year for Kim

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post #7

I’m a little unclear on the usage of the word “fake” here. Going by article, these are real people doing actual real work, they often use stolen identities to conceal information about themselves, and they get help from outside sources to do their jobs better. Whatever the right word is, it’s not “fake”. Maybe fraudulent? Or ulterior motives? Or deceptive? Or pretext? Or threat actor? Or foreign agents?

Who cares what they're called. Main concern in this case is that the result of their work poses danger to the US. Like a spies. They often do legit work and meanwhile some "extra"

Saying this while there's literally a foreign parasitic entity controlling a significant chunk of our government is something
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