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Re: Mistral AI Releases Forge

#131

Post by butILoveLife »

ogou wrote: post #40

Don't sleep on Mistral. Highly underrated as a general service LLM. Cheaper, too. Their emphasis on bespoke modelling over generalized megaliths will pay off. There are all kinds of specialized datasets and restricted access stores that can benefit from their approach. Especially in highly regulated EU. Not everyone is obsessed with code generation. There is a whole world out there.

If you couldn't use the words Europe to describe why you'd chose Mistral, you'd have no good reasons to choose Mistral.

Its just not good. Its bottom floor for LLMs.

Re: Mistral AI Releases Forge

#132

Post by butILoveLife »

grosswait wrote: post #127
spiderfarmer wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any model is.

This sounds like an ideology based reply. Grok is underrated and I think has a better chance of long term success than most. The current growth strategy means (for me) their chat harness is not up to par for serious work. Their API is consistently among the most used on OpenRouter. While I can’t vouch for it myself, I think this is a decent proxy for capability. You can definitely see glimmers of greatness in their c…

Grok is not SOTA, but its so obviously better than Mistral. Mistral is just some European patriotism or something.

Grok is nice for asking morally gray questions. ChatGPT will lie in these cases.

Re: Mistral AI Releases Forge

#133

Post by philipallstar »

soco wrote: post #108
newswasboring wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a general impression they are not interested too much in individual devs and making it suite their workflow. They want to be a B2B company and deliver a custom workflow per company. Or it can just be a Google like problem where a big company one part doesn't talk to the other.

But wouldn't winning devs be a neat helping point in winning b2b contacts? Or they think golf courts are enough for success? Okay they might be right here, but still they make it so confusing for no obvious reason.

Also EU protectionism itself might be enough.

Re: Mistral AI Releases Forge

#134

Post by lelanthran »

soco wrote: post #108
newswasboring wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a general impression they are not interested too much in individual devs and making it suite their workflow. They want to be a B2B company and deliver a custom workflow per company. Or it can just be a Google like problem where a big company one part doesn't talk to the other.

But wouldn't winning devs be a neat helping point in winning b2b contacts? Or they think golf courts are enough for success? Okay they might be right here, but still they make it so confusing for no obvious reason.

> But wouldn't winning devs be a neat helping point in winning b2b contacts?

How? The largest providers that are trying to win devs are locked in a competition to get the devs to continue using the models for free!

The best way to win B2B contracts is to solve the problems that plague business, not those that plague devs. The devs are fickle, have no stickiness and will jump providers to the next free provider, to self-hosted, etc.

Selling to business using Mistral's approach is, I feel, just a good business plan.

"Giving away some credits for free, then making a loss on subscribers" is an absolutely terrible business plan.

Re: Mistral AI Releases Forge

#136

Post by hermanzegerman »

lis wrote: post #119
kioleanu wrote: post #90

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no, the key is actually universal, you can't choose a specific product

It depends. The key for their vibe-cli is actually different. You need to get a separate key if you have a subscription and don't want to pay API usage prices.

That's the same everywhere. At least with the Chinese coding plans

Re: Mistral AI Releases Forge

#137

Post by hermanzegerman »

philipallstar wrote: post #133
soco wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But wouldn't winning devs be a neat helping point in winning b2b contacts? Or they think golf courts are enough for success? Okay they might be right here, but still they make it so confusing for no obvious reason.

Also EU protectionism itself might be enough.

Where is EU protectionist?

I feel we are way less protectionist than most other Economic Regions. Including the USA, which are very protectionist but always claim otherwise

Re: Mistral AI Releases Forge

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Post by hermanzegerman »

drstewart wrote: post #98
Lapel2742 wrote: post #93

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> The problem they have is that this is not a moat - their approach is easily reproducible. My 2ct: Currently the moat may be that they are not US-American which is not reproducible by any of the US alternatives.

This moat doesn't seem to be much of a moat considering a non-US model doesn't even crack the top 5 by usage - except DeepSeek, which would be a strange choice for Europeans looking for data sovereignty.

They offer self-hosted models for big corporate customers. I would also expect those serious about the security of their data to use that option. So you would never get the usage of those customers

Re: Mistral AI Releases Forge

#139

Post by hermanzegerman »

utopiah wrote: post #70
schubidubiduba wrote: post #68

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They use those because the decision to use them was made years ago. Things have changed since then

I want to believe... but I also need proofs of that "trend", any reference I could read on please?

Multiple Government organisations ditching Microsoft? Including entire German states?

My University also migrated to OpenExchange

Re: Mistral AI Releases Forge

#140

Post by alansaber »

I find the mistral "middle" between small LMs /1T LMs compelling. Models that are sufficiently big to be performant but specialised for domains and tasks- this is what I assumed we'd always head towards.
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