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Re: MoD sources warn Palantir role at heart of government is threat to UK security

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Post by gspr »

Uhhrrr wrote: post #126
datsci_est_2015 wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

gestures broadly In fact, I would say the burden of proof is largely on those who would say that Palantir and Thiel can be trusted despite all of their actions and rhetoric.

It's very fair to say that basically no one should be trusted with the large piles of data accumulated by various governments. But I would like to know why GP calls out Thiel specifically. Would they be just as mad at GovCloud?

Because Thiel is plainly, and in his own words, a regressive threat to democracy.

Re: MoD sources warn Palantir role at heart of government is threat to UK security

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Post by Lapra »

hermitcrab wrote: post #99

It is a complete no-brainer that Thiel and his minions shouldn't be let anywhere near anything health or security related.

Frankly the other cofounders are just as bad as Thiel but don't draw the headlines quite as much.

"Yesterday, Palantir founder Joe Lonsdale agreed with an X post suggesting communists in the Western hemisphere should be blown up. “Exactly,” he wrote. “What did you think founding Palantir was supposed to be about?”" - https://responsiblestatecraft.org/defense-companies-maduro/

"“We support warfare and we are proud of it,” Karp stated bluntly during the conversation with German media outlet Heise.de." - https://zetbit.tech/news/209/pentagon-backing-palantir-ceo-k...

"In a CNBC interview Thursday, Palantir cofounder and CEO Alex Karp opined that AI will undermine the influence of “highly educated, often female voters” and empower working class men instead. And anyone who doesn’t realize this political reality, he added, belongs in an “insane asylum.”" - https://futurism.com/artificial-intelligence/ceo-palantir-ai...

Re: MoD sources warn Palantir role at heart of government is threat to UK security

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Post by jacquesm »

Lapra wrote: post #132
hermitcrab wrote: post #99

It is a complete no-brainer that Thiel and his minions shouldn't be let anywhere near anything health or security related.

Frankly the other cofounders are just as bad as Thiel but don't draw the headlines quite as much. "Yesterday, Palantir founder Joe Lonsdale agreed with an X post suggesting communists in the Western hemisphere should be blown up. “Exactly,” he wrote. “What did you think founding Palantir was supposed to be about?”" - https://responsiblestatecraft.org/defense-companies-maduro/ "“We support warfare and we are proud of…

They're all certifiable.

Re: MoD sources warn Palantir role at heart of government is threat to UK security

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Post by epistasis »

hermitcrab wrote: post #99

It is a complete no-brainer that Thiel and his minions shouldn't be let anywhere near anything health or security related.

Whenever I see Alex Karp speak I wonder why they can't even pretend to put on sheep's clothing.

It says a lot about the breakdown of current US society and democracy that Palantir's leadership feels free to speak in the way that they do. People will not forget, because we all suspected that they were like this, but when given a tiny bit of power by electing a transient and weak president, they pulled their masks off fully.

Seems like a crucial miscalculation on their part, as they lose all international revenue and will likely lose all US revenue as soon as democratic check and balances are restored.

Re: MoD sources warn Palantir role at heart of government is threat to UK security

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Post by prox »

iso1631 wrote: post #128
hermitcrab wrote: post #99

It is a complete no-brainer that Thiel and his minions shouldn't be let anywhere near anything health or security related.

https://www.ft.com/content/fc1e7e9a-9d5d-4217-b9b2-38069eb11... > US tech billionaire and Maga donor Peter Thiel is starting a series of closed-door lectures about the antichrist in Rome on Sunday, putting him on a collision course with Pope Leo XIV, the Catholic Church’s first American pontiff. This sort of stuff might go down well with fundamentalists in america, but it has no place in the advanced world.

How is this not shut down in any form? This is actual insanity.

Re: MoD sources warn Palantir role at heart of government is threat to UK security

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Post by zzrrt »

crimsoneer wrote: post #72
qweiopqweiop wrote: post #69

Can someone explain why Palantir are seen as such a threat? My understanding is their product is a PowerBI++ and they don't host any user data themselves. Are people scared of backdoors?

[flagged]

This prompted me to read the Qanon Wikipedia page, and it is pretty funny that it also involves a right-wing South African software engineer warning us of the threat of global Satanists.

Re: MoD sources warn Palantir role at heart of government is threat to UK security

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Post by jacquesm »

Uhhrrr wrote: post #126
datsci_est_2015 wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

gestures broadly In fact, I would say the burden of proof is largely on those who would say that Palantir and Thiel can be trusted despite all of their actions and rhetoric.

It's very fair to say that basically no one should be trusted with the large piles of data accumulated by various governments. But I would like to know why GP calls out Thiel specifically. Would they be just as mad at GovCloud?

I think there is a minimum standard of being informed before you can start to question others. Thiel is on the record in many ways that would justify the GPs statement.

Yes, it is fair to say basically no one should be trusted with large piles of government data, but this holds more true for the the likes of Thiel who have indicated that they are willing to abuse such access.

Re: MoD sources warn Palantir role at heart of government is threat to UK security

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Post by jacquesm »

prox wrote: post #135
iso1631 wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.ft.com/content/fc1e7e9a-9d5d-4217-b9b2-38069eb11... > US tech billionaire and Maga donor Peter Thiel is starting a series of closed-door lectures about the antichrist in Rome on Sunday, putting him on a collision course with Pope Leo XIV, the Catholic Church’s first American pontiff. This sort of stuff might go down well with fundamentalists in america, but it has no place in the advanced world.

How is this not shut down in any form? This is actual insanity.

Normalization of deviance. They've shifted what is considered normal so far out of bounds that they can now pretend this is just fine. So no more fig-leafs. It brought down the Space Shuttle, and it will bring down society if left unchecked.

Re: MoD sources warn Palantir role at heart of government is threat to UK security

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Post by conception »

epistasis wrote: post #134
hermitcrab wrote: post #99

It is a complete no-brainer that Thiel and his minions shouldn't be let anywhere near anything health or security related.

Whenever I see Alex Karp speak I wonder why they can't even pretend to put on sheep's clothing. It says a lot about the breakdown of current US society and democracy that Palantir's leadership feels free to speak in the way that they do. People will not forget, because we all suspected that they were like this, but when given a tiny bit of power by electing a transient and weak president, they pulled their masks off…

It seems clear that the assumptions they are working off is that they will not be restored.
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