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Re: Digg is gone again

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Post by [deleted] »

armchairhacker wrote: post #17
iamdamian wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> This is not a reflection of their talent, their effort, or their belief in what we were building. It's a reflection of the brutal reality of finding product-market fit in an environment that has fundamentally changed. > Ironic, they use AI in their shutdown post that blames AI. This… seems like regular prose to me. What makes you say so confidently it was written by AI?

There are more tells. Rule of three, short cliche sentences. > We know how frustrating this is, and we hope you'll give us another look once we have something to show, we’ll save your usernames! I think it's partly human. But ex: > Network effects aren't just a moat, they're a wall. isn't a natural sentence.

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Re: Digg is gone again

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Post by intended »

no-name-here wrote: post #97
sunaookami wrote: post #56

The "new" Digg was just Reddit with the exact same type of comments you can find there and I left it (Digg and Reddit) because of that. There are very few sites where real discourse is still possible without it being filled with memes, running jokes, "witty" one-liners and the constant need to "one-up" and call-out each other. What does Digg even want to be? Nobody needs a second nu-Reddit. It speaks volumes that thi…

> sites where real discourse is still possible without it being filled with memes, running jokes, “witty” one-liners [etc] There are subreddits within Reddit such as https://www.reddit.com/r/neutralnews/ that have strict rules around sourcing, etc. However, I think that’s not what most users want, and may not be quite what you’re looking for either, apologies.

Eh - it IS what most users want.

In the same way people want to be fit.

There are 3 horsemen of Internet forums, one of them is topics with a low barrier to entry.

At that point anyone can speak up, and their opinion takes up as much screen real estate and reading time (often less reading time) than a truly informed take.

By putting effort barriers in place, it forces a fitness test that most users (and bots) fail.

Another subreddit which has strong rules is r/badeconomics. I didn’t know about neutralnews, so thank you for giving me another example to add to the list.

Re: Digg is gone again

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Post by allenu »

armchairhacker wrote: post #17
iamdamian wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> This is not a reflection of their talent, their effort, or their belief in what we were building. It's a reflection of the brutal reality of finding product-market fit in an environment that has fundamentally changed. > Ironic, they use AI in their shutdown post that blames AI. This… seems like regular prose to me. What makes you say so confidently it was written by AI?

There are more tells. Rule of three, short cliche sentences. > We know how frustrating this is, and we hope you'll give us another look once we have something to show, we’ll save your usernames! I think it's partly human. But ex: > Network effects aren't just a moat, they're a wall. isn't a natural sentence.

I think you're spot on. It feels like parts were edited with AI and parts were left alone.

> This isn't just a Digg problem. It's an internet problem. But it hit us harder because trust is the product.

The statement this is making is presumably the crux of the problem (Digg cannot survive without trust!) but it's worded so poorly that it's hard to imagine someone sat down and figured these three sentences were the best way to make the point.

Re: Digg is gone again

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Post by shellfishgene »

mikeocool wrote: post #51

Kinda seems like we’re rapidly headed for the complete collapse of the internet as we know it. Every site that is driven by user posting seems to be headed towards being overrun by AI bots chatting with each other, either for sake of promoting something or farming karma. And there’s really not much point in publishing good content anymore, since AI is just going slurp it up and regurgitate it without driving you any…

This could be positive. So far things were gamed and manipulated to some extent, with some fake content, but it was never too obvious, and a bit of a cat and mouse game with filters and whatnot. Now, it's so easy to fake content that robust systems will have to evolve, or most social media sites will become worthless, and advertisers will catch up eventually when they are paying for bot-only sites. The downside of course is that these robust systems are hard to imagine without complete loss of anonymity of the users.

Re: Digg is gone again

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Post by ThalesX »

I recently activated my account on there and went to the forum for my country. It was already taken over by moderators. Then I looked at the mod and he took all real estate that is already available on Reddit that is related to said country. So in a way, he was probably the first account on there and became god-king for eternity for the subreddits related to the country. I had no idea who he was, what he stood for, what his plans were for his newfound digital real estate etc.

I feel like the moderated subforum is a fundamentally broken system for dealing with content. I much prefer the Federated / X / Instagram approach where I can deal with users and have the tools needed to curate my own content, instead of relying on some ideologically captured no-name account that chooses what I can or cannot see based on whims.

Re: Digg is gone again

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Post by blitzar »

hazelnut wrote: post #68
gagik_co wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is Reddit fighting the bot problem? They introduced a feature to hide post history which makes it hard to know whether you’re interacting with a spammy bot account. If anything they’re embracing it.

The Reddit CEO mentioned that the community thrives when humans talk to humans - and not with AI slop. He also said they are working on efforts to identify automated accounts. https://www.businessinsider.com/reddit-ceo-platform-most-hum...

The used car salesman mentioned that the car was in perfect working condition.

Re: Digg is gone again

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Post by frou_dh »

You really gotta wonder how much value the "Digg" brand actually has, because the number of people that remember/care about the site from its original glory days is ever dwindling.

Re: Digg is gone again

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Post by blitzar »

axus wrote: post #58
keyboardJones wrote: post #47

> We're not giving up. Digg isn't going away. I think the HN title needs adjusted

"Digg is Just Resting"

Digg has gone to live on a farm in the countryside where it can run around and play with aol, myspace and all the other websites.

No you can't visit.

Re: Digg is gone again

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Post by b112 »

october8140 wrote: post #130
mikeocool wrote: post #51

Kinda seems like we’re rapidly headed for the complete collapse of the internet as we know it. Every site that is driven by user posting seems to be headed towards being overrun by AI bots chatting with each other, either for sake of promoting something or farming karma. And there’s really not much point in publishing good content anymore, since AI is just going slurp it up and regurgitate it without driving you any…

The future is human curated content. Provide the same experience people get today but without the noise. Give them just the good stuff and don't let just anyone make a post. A book has an author, a movie has a director, maybe websites can have webmasters again who filter through the garbage for you.

Yes, precisely.

This means that only sites which verify identity will have any value in the future. And by verified, that means against government ID and verified as real.

No amount of sign up fee works as an alternative.

Note that a site can verify identity, prevent sock puppets, ban bad actors and prevent re-registration, all while keeping that ID private.

You still get a handle and publicly facing nick if you want it.

The company which handles this correctly will have a big B after it. Digg actually has a chance at this.

It has no users, so the outrage won't exist in the same capacity. Existing platforms will be pummeled in the market if they try to convert to this type of site, as their DAU will likely drop a thousandfold, just due to the eliminated bots.

But Digg could relaunch this way. And as exhibited, this is now the only way.

The age of the anonymous internet is over, it's done. People not realizing this are living in the past.

Note, I don't like this, but acknowledging reality is vital. Issues with leaked databases, users, hacking of Pii are all technical and legislative issues, and not relevant to whether or not this happens.

Because it will happen, and is happening.

It should be noted that falsifying ID is a crime. Fake ID coupled with computer fraud laws will eventually result in hefty jail time. This is sensible, if people want a world where ecommerce, and discourse is online... and the general public does.

And has exhibited a complete lack of care about privacy regardless.

Re: Digg is gone again

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Post by p2detar »

ThalesX wrote: post #135

I recently activated my account on there and went to the forum for my country. It was already taken over by moderators. Then I looked at the mod and he took all real estate that is already available on Reddit that is related to said country. So in a way, he was probably the first account on there and became god-king for eternity for the subreddits related to the country. I had no idea who he was, what he stood for, w…

The absolutely broken moderator system of Reddit made me leave it forever after being a regular user for more than a decade. The “god-king” thing simply doesn’t work.
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