Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Peter Thiel's Antichrist Lectures

apnews.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

131–140 of 160 posts

Re: Peter Thiel's Antichrist Lectures

#131

Post by _DeadFred_ »

anaksjz wrote: post #109
yuppiepuppie wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ask yourself - where does his wealth (power) come from and how do you stop that? In his case - I assume most of it is from Palantir these days. Therefore stop your governments from contracting with them.

[flagged]

Republicans/dixiecrats push these kinds of attacks undermining our systems/institutions. The message we should give them:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Kjah99E1fIo

If voting didn't work dixiecrats wouldn't be pushing the new voter ID law. Billionaires wouldn't be spending so much on elections. The entire premise/fantasy of 'elections don't work' is traitor/disenfranchisement/give up BS.

We voted our way out of the 1800s, our way to the New Deal. There have always been rich pushing un-American ideas. We didn't go 'welp, I guess the hyper rich plantation owners win, dissolve the country and continue slavery'. We beat the robber barons. We defeated the slavers. Time to feed the rich billionaires what we gave those that chose to be traitors before them. Fuck traitors. They win when we don't vote. Don't be the surrender meme:

https://x.com/LinkofSunshine/status/1720538218628558969

Re: Peter Thiel's Antichrist Lectures

#132

Post by malfist »

anaksjz wrote: post #109
yuppiepuppie wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ask yourself - where does his wealth (power) come from and how do you stop that? In his case - I assume most of it is from Palantir these days. Therefore stop your governments from contracting with them.

[flagged]

I'm sorry, a catholic and an lutheran is the face of jewish power?

Re: Peter Thiel's Antichrist Lectures

#133

Post by dgxyz »

krapp wrote: post #126
dgxyz wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All arguments should be considered on merit of the argument not on credibility of the person.

I'm not Christian, but I think that any argument which takes the concept of the Antichrist seriously but removes it from the context of Christianity has no merit. The Antichrist only makes sense within the framework of Christian eschatology. Invoking the archetype but reframing it as a secular political and cultural force that opposes AI and technological progress seems like meaningless sophistry meant to grant some…

Exactly which is why the argument has no merit.

And even if it was in context to Christianity it has no veracity as the entire argument stands on faith which is fallible.

Re: Peter Thiel's Antichrist Lectures

#134

Post by _DeadFred_ »

seanalltogether wrote: post #25

I grew up in a pretty religious household and my parents fully believed that Armageddon would happen in our lifetime. It wasn't until I was older that I realized there were a lot of American Christians that secretly held this belief, and that it has a meaningful influence on how voters want American politicians to deal with Israel and the Middle East in general.

I see/hear way more end times doomerism/blow it all up/end it all from my secular friends than I have ever heard Armageddon talk from Christians, but I don't live in the south.

Re: Peter Thiel's Antichrist Lectures

#135

Post by orwin »

breppp wrote: post #87
seanalltogether wrote: post #25

I grew up in a pretty religious household and my parents fully believed that Armageddon would happen in our lifetime. It wasn't until I was older that I realized there were a lot of American Christians that secretly held this belief, and that it has a meaningful influence on how voters want American politicians to deal with Israel and the Middle East in general.

That belief is very common in secular settings. Marx and current day offshoots believed in a war that will bring redemption and utopia, other complete atheists believe in the inevitable environmental disaster (not whether it is happening but the belief that it cannot be prevented or fixed)

To be clear, Marx believed in the 'march of progress', basically that the constant struggle between classes during the middle age as well as the scientific revolution killed feudal society to give birth to capitalism (which is a very reductionist view of what happened, because the knowledge we had on feudal society then was _extremely_ skewed, but for the time it wasn't that crazy), and that the struggle between the capital class and the worker class will kill capitalism to create socialism (which isn't what is called socialism in Europe right now, it is closer to what European call communism), which is the last step before communism (basically a state of nature where everything goes so well you don't need the state. An ordered anarchy where everyone works for themselves and the society, without coercion from other people or entity). He use violent term (struggle), but never talked about a violent war or revolution, on the opposite, he took the French revolution as an example to avoid if I remember correctly (it has been more than a decade now. I'm old as fuck).

Some of his offshot do believe in a necessary war though. Leninism and Stalinism are the most famous one. Some of them take the US revolution as an example to follow.

Re: Peter Thiel's Antichrist Lectures

#136

Post by rich_sasha »

kubb wrote: post #125
rich_sasha wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My favourite bit of Biblical trivia. Consider this passage from the Revelation of St John: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation%208%... describing, perhaps, events leading to the end of the world: > The third angel blew his trumpet, and a great star fell from heaven, blazing like a torch, and it fell on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water. The name of the star is Wormwood. A third of…

Sure, but this description doesn't correspond to what happened in Chernobyl, and none of the other trumpets have corresponding events. So do the Evangelicals believe that Chernobyl disaster triggered the apocalypse, and that it has been happening ever since? I don't think so.

Yes, you would have to extend some poetic license.

This was a bit of ad lib, the US branch of Christianity follows it's own logic and sadly I cannot answer the serious question.

I'm pretty sure there were some bits in the Bible about loving thy enemy and turning the other cheek. But maybe I misremember.

Re: Peter Thiel's Antichrist Lectures

#137

Post by Gud »

rokkamokka wrote: post #9

This is an attempt at a reverse Streisand effect, right? He didn't like people memeing that he was the antichrist, so he did all this so any searches would turn up his lectures rather than the memes/accusations.

No, Peter Thiel is a nut job and these are his beliefs.

Unfortunately, he also knows everything about you and everybody else in the so called free world.

Re: Peter Thiel's Antichrist Lectures

#138

Post by Gud »

NalNezumi wrote: post #110
frereubu wrote: post #37

The thing that really worries me about these kinds of beliefs in some kind of a god or gods is that they can provide a get-out clause for existential risks to humanity. If this physical universe is just one manifestation of existence, then there's less to worry about because there will be some kind of existence afterwards if you screw it up. But in my view the universe is all there is, and it very definitely doesn't…

I think you're missing the historical context of how the "life after death" idea served as an utility, in many religions. We today have laws and moral separated from religion and institutions that both teaches it to the young citizen and uphold it. But that wasn't the case for vast majority of the history. How would you convince a tribal person that can't perceive something beyond "good for me & my family/tribe is al…

This is a naive world view. Religion became a tool for the powerful to suppress the masses. I doubt it was ever "for the good of the tribal man", although it's a nice story.

I believe most people have an innate spiritual side, questioning our roles in the universe and what life is really all about.

But powerful people(like Peter Thiel) have throughout history enforced their own fucked up world views on the rest of us, via indoctrination and blunt force. It's still ongoing.

People are wired to follow their leaders.

Re: Peter Thiel's Antichrist Lectures

#139

Post by rainworld »

rich_sasha wrote: post #115
itsthecourier wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

there was a Catholic reason for this, the Fatima Sheppards. there was an "apparition" of Virgin Mary and some "Prophecies" that were really imprinted on all Catholics over 50 years old. pretty much anti-russian propaganda. they silently pedal back from them in the last 25 years. but last time I visited sn important catholic monument internationally, most of the people in the bus knew about them, how they talk about t…

> pretty much anti-russian propaganda Russia bit of the prophecies: > [...] If my requests are [not] heeded, Russia [...] will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred; the Holy Father will have much to suffer; various nations will be annihilated. I'm not sure it is fair to call it propaganda when it is bang on the money. Even the Holy Father bit c…

Those who triumphed over “Russia” (also a tell) had anything but immaculate hearts.

> The good will be martyred; the Holy Father will have much to suffer; various nations will be annihilated.

Rings a bell. Errors are spreading but “Russian” they are not.

> The date of the attempted assassination, 13 May 1981, was the 64th anniversary of the first apparition of the Virgin Mary to the children at Fátima.

Do I have to spell it out.

Re: Peter Thiel's Antichrist Lectures

#140

Post by NalNezumi »

Gud wrote: post #138
NalNezumi wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you're missing the historical context of how the "life after death" idea served as an utility, in many religions. We today have laws and moral separated from religion and institutions that both teaches it to the young citizen and uphold it. But that wasn't the case for vast majority of the history. How would you convince a tribal person that can't perceive something beyond "good for me & my family/tribe is al…

This is a naive world view. Religion became a tool for the powerful to suppress the masses. I doubt it was ever "for the good of the tribal man", although it's a nice story. I believe most people have an innate spiritual side, questioning our roles in the universe and what life is really all about. But powerful people(like Peter Thiel) have throughout history enforced their own fucked up world views on the rest of us…

I don't follow how your take is any different? We're essentially saying the same thing: it's a "nice story" == easier to sell to people for the powerful to control them.

Organized religion is pretty much about manipulating our innate spiritual side with nice stories to keep us bought in to the "nice story" that serve the top the most.

I'm just pointing out that the utility of the idea is just that: organization and control. It is quite redundant today because there are more advanced way of doing the same thing.

Or are you just pointing out that things have to be argued in a cynical way for it to be true?

Post reply on HN