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Enhancing gut-brain communication reversed cognitive decline in aging mice

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Re: Enhancing gut-brain communication reversed cognitive decline in aging mice

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I think mainstream is mostly looking at the microbiome stuff wrong. Your microbiome is the downstream proxy of good lifestyle habits, not generally something to directly manage. Good diet, exercise, reducing stress, and sleeping well will improve digestion and all the downstream variables like microbiome, physical health, and mental health. This is basic ecology, the bacterial population dynamics in your colon are a…

It certainly anecdotal, but feels like you can positively effect your gut microbiome for example by riding a horse. Ive read research about how other mammals can share their microbiomes with humans, if its not the horses biome then what is it that so satisfingly calming post ride. Would love to be enlightened. Ride a horse if you need to destress, amazing creatures.

It certainly anecdotal, but feels like you can positively effect your gut microbiome for example by riding a bicycle. If its not the bike's biome then what is it that so satisfingly calming post ride. Would love to be enlightened. Ride a bike if you need to destress, amazing machines.

Re: Enhancing gut-brain communication reversed cognitive decline in aging mice

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Everyone's "poo-pooing" the article because the title doesn't mention mice, but, FWIW, stories of gut biota affecting humans behavior have been documented for a while. Memory gain is noteworthy, which is the article's "wow" factor, but everyone's just knee-jerk smirking so ... here's a few random articles to gross you out about the wild world of trading microbiota and, for better or worse, changing your personality:…

In my opinion, gut microbiome stuff is massively overhyped. Here's a study that tried fecal transplants to treat mental illness (and found no effect): https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41785480/ The pattern with this stuff is that, when a blinded study is carried out, there's usually no effect.

They found a 15 point MADRS change in the placebo group, that's huge, it's only a 60 point scale, and more than the average SSRI produces. Either the procedure itself is doing something or something isn't right with the study.

Also one issue with all of these studies is they only look at averages and don't do subgroup analysis. It may be that a few patients have an underlying condition causing depression that is highly responsive to these interventions, while it has no effect on the others.

Re: Enhancing gut-brain communication reversed cognitive decline in aging mice

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unrelated but maybe interesting... I had a colonoscopy and had to empty my system. I had 1/2 gallon of this fluid to drink the night before, and the other 1/2 gallon to drink the day of. At that point my digestive system was empty. I will say with an empty system I felt energized and a lot more clearheaded. I wonder if doing this from time to time is helpful to your system, and furthermore if eating smaller portions…

Most people who fast report that same "clearheadedness".

Re: Enhancing gut-brain communication reversed cognitive decline in aging mice

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Don't be simplistic. Mold on old bread grows and is natural, yet you should not eat it all day.

> you should not eat it all day How sure are we about this? How certain are we that those specific species of mold have a net negative effect, rather than a net positive (like for example mushrooms)? Penicillium grows on stale foods and I doubt eating it would have a net negative effect.

>I doubt eating it would have a net negative effect.

Feel free to eat it.

"Penicillium Species and Their Associated Mycotoxins" - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27924532/

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"You" don't crave stuff, the microbiome in your intestine craves stuff. There are microbes in there that specialize in eating, say, sugar. You don't give them sugar, they send signals to your brain saying "yo, more sugar" This is why if you go on a sugar-free diet (just stop eating candy and sweets) the cravings just go away eventually. The microbes who keep shouting for more sugar either die away or go dormant.

Total crackpot theory.

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I would recommend the site https://gutbrainaxistherapeutics.com for learning more about Microbiota Transplant Therapy (MTT) and its opportunities, especially for Autism and Pitt-Hopkins Syndrome.

I’ll dig in more but my first question when I see this: who are the donors exactly? Like who decides what the ideal gut microbiome is and that John Doe is the guy to provide his fecal matter to the masses?

More importantly: are there places that will pay me to make regular donations?

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If this was true, sugar cravings would disappear when taking antibiotics that kill those microbes. The fact that this doesn’t happen should give you pause about this woo-woo theory of cravings. The reason you crave sugar and fat and other tasty things is that they taste good. You evolved in a world where feeling rewarded and driven to consume more of these was beneficial to survival when food was scarce.

Antibiotics don't kill 100% of the gut biome, if it did so, we'd die. It does some decimation, but not a full genocide.

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Re: Enhancing gut-brain communication reversed cognitive decline in aging mice

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Mice mice mice. Tell me when you test on humans

In theory you would never test on humans directly. You would go through various order testing and slowly work your way up to a final verification on human subjects that has almost no chance of going wrong and that the worst possible outcome is that nothing happens.

We there yet?

> Importantly, vagus nerve stimulation is approved by the Food and Drug Administration as a treatment for depression or epilepsy and to aid stroke recovery.

Re: Enhancing gut-brain communication reversed cognitive decline in aging mice

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What did you do for heartburn? Just looking for ideas. I noticed reducing gluten helped me personally a lot

It may not work for you but I had years of chronic heartburn. While sick with covid in 2020, I stopped consuming coffee and alcohol. It took a few months and for the long covid symptoms to subside, and then no more heartburn. At all. I felt really dumb that I never connected it to coffee before. I didn’t experience direct symptoms from coffee and I didn’t consume an excess amount. But it definitely was the cause.

I can confirm that eliminating coffee can make a big difference.

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I stopped taking esomeprazole after being on it for 4 years, and frequently had to supplement with famotidine and tums anyway. I had an infection and was prescribed antibiotics, and needed to pause the esomeprazole. I asked gemini about it and it suggested I take two probiotics while on the antibiotics, Saccharomyces boulardii and Lactobacillus rhamnosus GG. I noticed after a few days that I wasn't getting heartburn,…

There is a weak association with use of PPIs and memory loss. I myself noticed a difference once I stopped taking omeprazole regularly.

Most doctors will say avoid long term use of PPIs for a variety of reasons. Famotidine is much easier on the body, albeit less effective than PPIs.
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