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I'm glad the Anthropic fight is happening now

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Post by kelseyfrog »

kelnos wrote: post #120
kelseyfrog wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The administration believes that rights, in this case the right of corporate existence, are granted by the state. This is opposed to the liberal conception that rights are a product of natural existence - an essential feature of being.

The right of corporate existence is granted (or at least regulated, heavily) by the state. This administration believes that they don't need to treat all businesses equally under the law, and can use strong-arm intimidation tactics to get what they want. That is the problem.

Rights are natural. We had a whole enlightenment about it.

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Post by bryan0 »

zer00eyz wrote: post #6

> But within 20 years, 99% of the workforce in the military, the government, and the private sector will be AIs. I haven't seen this much hype and hopium since the dot com boom. The whole open AI -> Anthropic saga just reeks of the same evolution of Viant/Scient. Look we have an amazing tool, but it has some fundamental shortcomings that the industry seems to want to burry its head in the sand about. The moment the h…

Imagine if 5 years ago people said that 99% of the world's software would be written, designed, and tested by AI within 10 years. That would be insane hype and hopium and... oh wait..

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Post by ang_cire »

cuuupid wrote: post #128
ang_cire wrote: post #126

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Please point out where I "fellated" China.

Saying the US is not a better country on terms of freedom and goodness?

"US not inherently better" is tantamount to fellatio to you?

You have some low standards of praise.

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Post by fragmede »

conradev wrote: post #60
ang_cire wrote: post #43

The author is naive. > The whole background of this AI conversation is that we’re in a race with China, and we have to win. But what is the reason we want America to win the AI race? It’s because we want to make sure free open societies can defend themselves. We don’t want the winner of the AI race to be a government which operates on the principle that there is no such thing as a truly private company or a private c…

I love that you are allowed to go off about how we are a worse country without fear of jail or shunning or anything like that. You are using your rights properly!

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/13/technology/dhs-anti-ice-s...

ICE asking for a list of social media profiles of its detractors doesn't sound like "without fear of jail or shunning or anything like that." to me. Through data mining and 3rd parties, the local PD has a dossier on me based on what I write here that would come up if I did something to get their attention. That has a chilling effect on what say on here in public.

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Post by ekjhgkejhgk »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #94
ekjhgkejhgk wrote: post #83

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You don't buy any of this right? Didnt startship exploded like 10 times by now? But in 30 months they'll be launchign 1 per hour? What?

> You don't buy any of this right? I actually do. The math is more strained than anything present. But a lot of people are rejecting it out of hand without doing anything back of the envelope. Truth is, barring a seismic shift in how we permit data centers on the ground, it takes a within-the-envelope decreases in launch costs to make space-based data centers profitable. Which is then just a cheat code for building a…

Changing permits sounds to me a lot easier than building anything in space. What has ever been built in space? The ISS, that's it.

Alright, show me the back of the envelope maths.

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Post by 317070 »

albelfio wrote: post #74
M00nF1sh wrote: post #61

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Is Trump really not a dictator? Meanwhile, China has been focusing on domestic development and investing in underdeveloped regions, including across Africa. China hasn't bombed girls' schools and then lied that it's their own country thrown the bomb.

What the governments have done is different from what the cultural values of the two countries are. Chinese values and American values are different, and people can argue for one or the other. We, westerner, want our values to prevail. Dwarkesh wants to preserve our values of freedom.

> We, westerner, want our values to prevail.

This comes to the core of the issue, and is where I think the disagreement comes from. Many Westerners in fact do not want "Western" values to prevail.

Why? For me those values have led to outcomes so horrendously antithetical to _my_ values, that I would not wish them for the rest of the world. Even worse, this Western centrism has led to jingoist conclusions for at least 400 years.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

ekjhgkejhgk wrote: post #135
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You don't buy any of this right? I actually do. The math is more strained than anything present. But a lot of people are rejecting it out of hand without doing anything back of the envelope. Truth is, barring a seismic shift in how we permit data centers on the ground, it takes a within-the-envelope decreases in launch costs to make space-based data centers profitable. Which is then just a cheat code for building a…

Changing permits sounds to me a lot easier than building anything in space. What has ever been built in space? The ISS, that's it. Alright, show me the back of the envelope maths.

> Changing permits sounds to me a lot easier than building anything in space

Having done a little bit of both, the latter around data centers, I’ll say they’re different kinds of hard.

> Alright, show me

Fair question. But no, I’m still refining my math and making bets on this. But I’ll start working on an HN comment in a few weeks and try to remember to post it back to this thread.

My basic argument is to try pinning out current datacenter costs, pin out lifted costs, and then work out what cost/kg you need to balance the two. Hint: approval time and interest rates are meaningful variables.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

BoredPositron wrote: post #109
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #99

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> Is there actually a benefit? Or are we just watching the slow motion collapse of another empire convinced of its own immortality? These aren’t mutually exclusive. The world is better off for Athens and the Roman and Harrapan and Haudenosaunee republics. (Book request: history of the republic. I’ve struggled to find one.) The CCP with internal elections was interesting and a genuine riposte to broadly-enfranchised r…

But we are not talking about china.

> But we are not talking about china

Author literally is.

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Post by nixon_why69 »

possibleworlds wrote: post #104
elAhmo wrote: post #96

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Great take. If the past year has taught us anything, it’s that the US can’t really be seen as the “good guys” in such a simple way. Many of these things have been happening for years, but war crimes, disregard for international law, blackmailing allies, killing their own citizens without accountability, and allowing foreign governments to heavily influence policy are all troubling signs. It’s easy to point to China a…

> If the past year has taught us anything, it’s that the US can’t really be seen as the “good guys” in such a simple way. More like the past 200 years. America have never been the "good guys", and it is only Americans who seem to think they ever were.

An American and a Soviet Russian were on a plane chatting. The American says "I'm very impressed with the quality of Soviet propaganda". The Soviet says thanks, but it's nothing compared to American propaganda.

The American says "But we don't have propaganda", the Soviet says "Exactly".

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Post by margalabargala »

ang_cire wrote: post #125
margalabargala wrote: post #103

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You quoted the article: > The whole background of this AI conversation is that we’re in a race with China, and we have to win. But what is the reason we want America to win the AI race? Right now there are two contenders for first in the AI race. The US, and China. You spent the rest of your comment making the case that it is not good for the US to win. Implying, though not directly saying, we would be better off wit…

> You spent the rest of your comment making the case that it is not good for the US to win. Implying, though not directly saying, we would be better off with China. This is you putting words in my mouth. It's bad if either wins. You seem to be operating under an unspoken personal belief that an AI race "win" inevitably spills out into global dominance. I don't know that it won't, but you likewise don't know that it w…

I'm not putting words in your mouth, and in fact pointed out in my comment you never said this.

Read up on what it means to "imply" something.

Speaking of putting words in people's mouths:

> You seem to be operating under an unspoken personal belief that an AI race "win" inevitably spills out into global dominance.

This is the belief of the article we're all commenting on. Intelligent people are able to discuss concepts without endorsing them.

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