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Agents that run while I sleep
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Re: Agents that run while I sleep
#132It's amazing the length at which people who want to write code go, to not write code.
Don't get me wrong, I use agentic coding often, when I feel it's going to type it faster than me (e.g. a lot of scaffolding and filler code).
Otherwise, what's the point?
I feel the whole industry is having its "Look ma! no hands!" moment.
Time to mature up, and stop acting like sailing is going where the seas take you.
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#133Does anyone know what this guy is having his agents build? Bc I looked a bit and all I see him ship is linkedin posts about Claude.
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#134I guess to reach this point you have already decided you don't care what the code looks like. Something I'm starting to struggle with is when agents can now do longer and more complex tasks, how do you review all the code? Last week I did about 4 weeks of work over 2 days first with long running agents working against plans and checklists, then smaller task clean ups, bugfixes and refactors. But all this code needs t…
The proper solution is to treat the agent generated code like assembly... IE. don't review it. Agents are the compiler for your inputs (prompts, context, etc). If you care about code quality you should have people writing it with AI help, not the other way around.
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#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
The trick is, with the setup I mentioned, you change the rewards. The concept is: Red Team (Test Writers), write tests without seeing implementation. They define what the code should do based on specs/requirements only. Rewarded by test failures. A new test that passes immediately is suspicious as it means either the implementation already covers it (diminishing returns) or the test is tautological. Red's ideal outco…
You guys are describing wonderful things, but I've yet to see any implementation. I tried coding my own agents, yet the results were disappointing. What kind of setup do you use ? Can you share ? How much does it cost ?
Check out Mike Pocock’s work, he’s done excellent work writing about red green refactor and has a GitHub repo for his skills. Read and take what you need from his tdd skill and incorporate it into your own tdd skill tailored for your project.
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#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
It can if your refactor needs to deal with interface changes, like moving methods around, changing argument order etc... all these need to propagate to the tests
Your tests are an assertion that 'no matter what this will never change'. If your interface can change then you are testing implementation details instead of the behavior users care about. the above is really hard. A lot of tdd 'experts' don't understand is and teach fragile tests that are not worth having.
Refactoring is changing the design of the code without affecting the behaviour.
You can change an interface and not change the behaviour.
I have rarely heard such a rigid interpretation such as this.
Re: Agents that run while I sleep
#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
The trick is, with the setup I mentioned, you change the rewards. The concept is: Red Team (Test Writers), write tests without seeing implementation. They define what the code should do based on specs/requirements only. Rewarded by test failures. A new test that passes immediately is suspicious as it means either the implementation already covers it (diminishing returns) or the test is tautological. Red's ideal outco…
This seems like a tremendous amount of planning, babysitting, verification, and token cost just to avoid writing code and tests yourself.
Yes with the reward of: I don't understand this code and didn't learn anything incrementally about the feature I "planned".
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#140Does anyone know what this guy is having his agents build? Bc I looked a bit and all I see him ship is linkedin posts about Claude.
Yeah maybe I'm just old but in 25 years in industry - not one company has needed this much code that fast. They may insist they do but then it sits while they figure out how to sell, or the inevitable "oh wait, we didn't think about that..."