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Post by erremerre »

deafpolygon wrote: post #118
erremerre wrote: post #69

Here could some European company that already makes tv to step in and create something good, with no ads, and even better if they promise to open the sourcecode, bootloader etc... Something like Philips for example. But I guess they are too busy making lightbulbs to notice that they could fill that gap on the TV market space.

european TVs aren’t that much better

Exactly that is my point. They could be. There is no incentive to buy Philips over any chinese brand if they all are going to spy.

But it could be different. Like how Oneplus allowed Cyanogen on their devices.

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Post by erremerre »

gh02t wrote: post #128
erremerre wrote: post #69

Here could some European company that already makes tv to step in and create something good, with no ads, and even better if they promise to open the sourcecode, bootloader etc... Something like Philips for example. But I guess they are too busy making lightbulbs to notice that they could fill that gap on the TV market space.

Philips has made "smart" TVs for years, including OLEDs, and they're more or less Android TVs like most other manufacturers. So I wouldn't hold your breath for them.

That is what I meant, they are no different from any other brand. But they could be. They could guarantee no enshitification, or an open platform.

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Post by beAbU »

I love my Hisense TV. It was the best bang for my bucks when I bought it. Nice and big, nice and bright and 4k. I'm not a pixel peeper by any stretch of the imagination, so I'm not too fussed about having the best of the best in my living room. I've had it so far for about 5 years, and I might keep it for much longer.

That TV has not whiffed a single packet over it's network interface, and it never will. I've learnt my lesson with smart previous smart tv's (looking at you Samsung), and I'm more than happy to run outdated firmware on my TV. If it works it works.

If I buy a new tv that needs internet to get working, or the shipped firmware is buggy, then I'll take it back to the store as it's not working. Simple as.

Re: Hisense TVs add unskippable startup ads before live TV

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Post by beAbU »

ceejayoz wrote: post #78
ectospheno wrote: post #10

Once I verify a home video product works as intended I remove its network connection and never connect it again. I then leave its static ip address configured and block any traffic from it on the off chance it’s ever connected again. The sole exception is my PlayStation 5. I use apps on it for all streaming.

Even some cheap Kindles came with a SIM card. I expect this to happen if enough people block ads on TVs. (They'll probably promote it as a "backup connection" or something.)

The sim card in a kindle was a global connect-to-any-network SIM card. Your Kindle was always online and ready to download more books no matter where you were in the world. It was legit actually useful and valuable to customers.

What's Amazon gonna do with a Kindle with an embedded SIM? Spy on the books you read? They already know that shit!

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Post by ceejayoz »

beAbU wrote: post #134
ceejayoz wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even some cheap Kindles came with a SIM card. I expect this to happen if enough people block ads on TVs. (They'll probably promote it as a "backup connection" or something.)

The sim card in a kindle was a global connect-to-any-network SIM card. Your Kindle was always online and ready to download more books no matter where you were in the world. It was legit actually useful and valuable to customers. What's Amazon gonna do with a Kindle with an embedded SIM? Spy on the books you read? They already know that shit!

The point is that a similarly cheap always-on SIM in a TV can be used to serve ads if blocking them at the network level becomes common.

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Post by p0w3n3d »

everdrive wrote: post #123
drnick1 wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chances are the dealer and manufacturer can still get telemetry data through the cellular modem built into the car. You will need to remove it to be reasonably sure that data isn't extracted.

>Chances are the dealer and manufacturer can still get telemetry data through the cellular modem built into the car. Exactly why I have a car without a cellular modem. They're getting quite rare, though, and I imagine will soon be impossible.

I believe you're required to have it due to EU regulation for "automated 112 calling"

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Post by ethbr1 »

beAbU wrote: post #133

I love my Hisense TV. It was the best bang for my bucks when I bought it. Nice and big, nice and bright and 4k. I'm not a pixel peeper by any stretch of the imagination, so I'm not too fussed about having the best of the best in my living room. I've had it so far for about 5 years, and I might keep it for much longer. That TV has not whiffed a single packet over it's network interface, and it never will. I've learnt…

Anyone who lets their TV on their network is naive. It has one job.

I never would have thought Zero Trust would be a requirement for home networking, but here we are since ~2020.

Re: Hisense TVs add unskippable startup ads before live TV

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Post by ethbr1 »

LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #122
aerhardt wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Business idea: a signal-jamming cover for your 65-inch TV. It looks like shit, is difficult to install, and costs an arm and a leg, but at least it prevents egregious privacy violations from your average chaebol or CCP-intervened corporation!

How would you look at the panel, then? Do you think it is impenetrable? I'd doubt that any such coating would be good for viewing quality.

> How would you look at the panel, then?

You only view your TV from inside the Faraday cage, of course.

Re: Hisense TVs add unskippable startup ads before live TV

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

ethbr1 wrote: post #138
LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How would you look at the panel, then? Do you think it is impenetrable? I'd doubt that any such coating would be good for viewing quality.

> How would you look at the panel, then? You only view your TV from inside the Faraday cage, of course.

Living bunker-style in a SCIF just for TV? Nah!

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Post by bzzzt »

imglorp wrote: post #12
bilekas wrote: post #6

Ughh.. I recently turned on my 1000EUR+ LG Oled TV to find that it had automatically installed a Copilot app.. And keeps doing it every few days. Is there any smart TV that I can actually just use a TV how I want? Or am I reduced to buying an Apple TV device and unplugging the TV from the internet entirely ?

Right, never give a TV internet access now. That's where we are. This means they can't surveil, brick, or change your hardware after you bought it. So yes, then add whatever dongles to provide content. If the dongle turns bad (evil), chuck it and get a different kind. You preserve your privacy, hardware ownership rights, and freedom to choose.

> This means they can't surveil, brick, or change your hardware after you bought it.

They can however continuously display 'NO NETWORK' popups until you give the device the access it wants. Of course, only after it's been active a while and the return window is closed.

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