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Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by whycombigator »

MrBuddyCasino wrote: post #113
lwansbrough wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Take it to the final form. It's game theory. The US is promoting system that enables a Nash equilibrium. By playing by the US' rules you empower yourself and you empower those around you. And the US takes a service fee for operating the market. The alternative is trying to fight that, and if you're picking a fight with the strongest player, you're playing to lose.

> Take it to the final form. It's game theory. The US is promoting system that enables a Nash equilibrium. By playing by the US' rules you empower yourself and you empower those around you. And the US takes a service fee for operating the market. This is what an empire , that is competently run , should do. The US is not an empire, and it is not competently run. It has no attributes in common with empires of history.…

I suspect it's under the transactional control of whomever provides the details for a sufficiently large bitcoin wallet to Steve Witkov

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by pzo »

lwansbrough wrote: post #110
pzo wrote: post #104

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Pentagon made few reports that Iran is not pursuing nuclear weapons - I bet they have better intelligence that you. Their killed religious leader made fatwa that forbid having or using weapons of mass destruction. Surprisingly now when he is gone they can pursue it after being attacked. Also worth to watch many Bibi talks since 1980s where he sais Iran will have nukes very soon and this didn't materialize in 40 years…

You realize how much work has gone into ensuring that didn't materialize in those 40 years, right? JCPOA... Stuxnet? The Pentagon agrees that Iran is not officially pursuing nuclear weapons. However, there are CIA reports that indicated there may have been covert operations taking place that were exploring cruder nuclear weapons. I imagine that was the basis for the US bombing of Iran in 2025.

> You realize how much work has gone into ensuring that didn't materialize in those 40 years, right? JCPOA... Stuxnet?

JCPOA agreement was nuked by Trump administration. No, I don't buy your arguments, If Iran would wanted to have Nukes would have it already made those in 5 years for sure. Kim didn't have problems for making those.

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by fabian2k »

keiferski wrote: post #27

This whole situation made me realize that the mechanism for holding presidents accountable for campaign promises really doesn’t exist. None of this is what people voted for, and is almost directly the opposite. That isn’t a new thing, of course, but this seems like a pretty huge turnaround from what the campaign was about. This seems like a fundamental problem with the system to me. If you can’t count on the candidat…

Trump was mostly a known quantity when elected a second time. And on foreign policy it was clear that he would be at least erratic and unpredictable. This is not an unexpected result of voting for Trump.

People voted for a vindictive and petty criminal that doesn't care about rules or laws. This is the result of that.

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by kakacik »

tgma wrote: post #90
kakacik wrote: post #84

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I said will , please read comments more thoroughly before replying. Everybody agrees this war will drag for some time. Care to backup those wild claims with any facts? The video of tomahawk I talk about is circulating all over internet, so its pretty uphill battle to discredit it when clearly tomahawks are landing

Trump himself confirmed this on Air Force One earlier today. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2026/03/07/trump-... Nothing about this is such a wild claim if you are familiar with their past behavior. There were Persian language sources inside Iran that immediately after the incident attributed it to IRGC missile misfire, before some outlets started using that as propaganda material (which by the way played…

Do you lack proper internet connection today? Whole world media, western or not, are writing about this, how its clearly US missile. Bellingcat did a detailed analysis and confirmed this, look at washington post, guardian and so on.

Plus the video itself, you somehow avoid commenting completely about the prime evidence. Not fitting your not entirely correct narrative, is it?

If you would even care about the topic properly you could argue that school wasn't far from military base and divert the topic with some whataboutism and finish with fog of war theme, but even that's not whats happening here. 'Just trust trump' ain't going to cut it, not in 2026.

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by ratrace »

phr4ts wrote: post #70

List of terrorist groups sponsored by Iran Government 1. Hezbollah (Lebanon) 2. Hamas (Gaza Strip) 3. Palestinian Islamic Jihad (Gaza Strip/West Bank) 4. The Houthis / Ansar Allah (Yemen) 5. Kata'ib Hezbollah (Iraq) 6. Asa'ib Ahl al-Haq (Iraq) 7. Harakat al-Nujaba (Iraq) 8. Kata'ib Sayyid al-Shuhada (Iraq) 9. Harakat Ansar Allah al-Awfiya (Iraq) 10. Kata'ib al-Imam Ali (Iraq) 11. Badr Organization (Iraq) 12. Liwa Fat…

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Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by sheikhnbake »

throwaway132448 wrote: post #122
Gud wrote: post #119

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Israel wields a lot of power over the US.

They said, without any justification at all, merely reinforcing my own point.

People want to shift blame. The influence and money between the US and Israel is a revolving door. The US gives Israel tons of money in defense and security contracts, orgs like AIPAC redistribute some of those funds back to the US to keep the revolving door greased.

I think it's incorrect to say Israel is pulling the strings when admins of both have been colluding almost since Israel's existence.

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by aa-jv »

stef25 wrote: post #54
spankalee wrote: post #42

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The US needs a parliamentary system. Trump would have been dumped already. Instead we have to wait 3 more years to end this insanity.

> Instead we have to wait 3 more years to end this insanity. Pray that you'll see the end of it in 3 years. It would be surprise if that ship can be turned around.

>Pray

This kills the democracy.

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by JKCalhoun »

fabian2k wrote: post #133
keiferski wrote: post #27

This whole situation made me realize that the mechanism for holding presidents accountable for campaign promises really doesn’t exist. None of this is what people voted for, and is almost directly the opposite. That isn’t a new thing, of course, but this seems like a pretty huge turnaround from what the campaign was about. This seems like a fundamental problem with the system to me. If you can’t count on the candidat…

Trump was mostly a known quantity when elected a second time. And on foreign policy it was clear that he would be at least erratic and unpredictable. This is not an unexpected result of voting for Trump. People voted for a vindictive and petty criminal that doesn't care about rules or laws. This is the result of that.

I, agree. It's impossible for me to afford any cover for someone who says they thought they were voting for a guy who would not start any wars.

I can't think of a time in my life when the choice was any more clear.

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by spiderfarmer »

pzo wrote: post #132
lwansbrough wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You realize how much work has gone into ensuring that didn't materialize in those 40 years, right? JCPOA... Stuxnet? The Pentagon agrees that Iran is not officially pursuing nuclear weapons. However, there are CIA reports that indicated there may have been covert operations taking place that were exploring cruder nuclear weapons. I imagine that was the basis for the US bombing of Iran in 2025.

> You realize how much work has gone into ensuring that didn't materialize in those 40 years, right? JCPOA... Stuxnet? JCPOA agreement was nuked by Trump administration. No, I don't buy your arguments, If Iran would wanted to have Nukes would have it already made those in 5 years for sure. Kim didn't have problems for making those.

Also, by his logic they succeeded in thwarting Iran's efforts for 40 years without resorting to bombing civilians. So we still need to see proof for why this is now, all of a sudden, the only way forward.

Re: Iranians describe scenes of catastrophe after Tehran's oil depots bombed

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Post by JKCalhoun »

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #103
Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But will they still support him if gas prices and general inflation spike hard, as is nearly a given if Trump doesn't back out from the war? My impression is that most of his voters are selfish and couldn't care less for other people's woes (migrants, sexual abuse victims, Iranians or whatever), but will care if his antics hit their own pockets. I'm not American so I may well be wrong, though.

Yes, they will still support him. Republicans dying of COVID would still deny its existence on their deathbed, so you can be sure there is no consequence that is too far for them. Farmers bankrupted and people who lost jobs because of Trump's policies continue to support him. Inflation is bad when Democrats do it, but it is fine if Republicans do it, as with all things, because that is how their hierarchy works. Thei…

As much as I tried to discount sweeping accusations made against voters, increasingly I am beginning to think that a lot of those who support this administration really want to see a "whiter" and more Christian U.S. It's getting harder for me to deny.

If there are single-issue voters supporting this admin, I suspect for many that issue is not "stay out of foreign wars" but something closer to going back to some mythical time in the U.S. that looked more like Currier and Ives.

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