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Anthropic, please make a new Slack

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Re: Anthropic, please make a new Slack

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So why can't we vibecode a new slack with claude?

Messaging apps are a lot harder to get right than you might think. I worked for years on messaging using XMPP and the problems were legion. I'd be very interested in seeing how a vibecoded app does at scale, especially with the presence problem.

Re: Anthropic, please make a new Slack

#132

Use Zulip. The migration out of Slack is actually quite easy and preserves all messages, files, etc. Even the user migration is straightforward, keeping Google or whoever as the identity provider if you prefer.

Zulip is not even close to Slack. It keeps crashing.

Sounds like something Claude could fix… /s

Re: Anthropic, please make a new Slack

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it really so different than asking the search company back in '01 to make a mail client, a browser, a maps app, ...?

They didn't, no one asked google to do it. It was Paul Buchheit's 20% project. Google saw a good thing, solved by someone who knew what they were doing and where they wanted it to go, and fostered it. Hell, it is what built AdWords and ultimately made google the advertising behemoth it is today. I don't think this is the same thing... I see what you are saying though, a business can expand beyond it's initial constra…

Yep, and it was completely just fluke too, because within 5 years of that they'd butchered/tamed the whole concept of 20% and that kind of independent project wasn't a thing anybody at Google could do, even if 20% still nominally existed [re-routed to be "you can add 20% to some project at Google that already exists and is approved by corporate already, etc. and btw you'll still be doing your normal work for most of the time, too"]

When I was there from 2012-2022 it really wasn't a thing. Once Google found its money printing machine it swallowed everything.

Re: Anthropic, please make a new Slack

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Why ask Anthropic? Why not build on something better like Matrix? Or Signal?[0] Or even Keybase? I really do agree we need to move away from Slack and Discord, but I'm also very confused why the call to action is to Anthropic. IMO we should really be pushing for open systems so that nobody can take it from us. Otherwise we repeat the cycle again and again. There's some good protocols to start on. I'd also say this is…

Has Matrix improved the ease of use for folks to use it independently? Mattermost, Rocketchat and others have first class packaging for quick and easy roll out.

I listed those as examples of where one could start. Not as ready to ship answers. I mean we are in a thread where the context is no ready to ship answer, so...

Re: Anthropic, please make a new Slack

#135

> Slack's data access policy is basically "No." For being a blog post about problems with Slack's policies, it's odd that it has no details whatsoever on what the issues actually are.

they dont let you extract messages via the API. Keeping Slack message data in their walled garden

Doesn't the conversation.history permission let a Slack bot extract all messages? https://docs.slack.dev/reference/methods/conversations.histo...

Re: Anthropic, please make a new Slack

#136

Why ask Anthropic? Why not build on something better like Matrix? Or Signal?[0] Or even Keybase? I really do agree we need to move away from Slack and Discord, but I'm also very confused why the call to action is to Anthropic. IMO we should really be pushing for open systems so that nobody can take it from us. Otherwise we repeat the cycle again and again. There's some good protocols to start on. I'd also say this is…

> something better like Matrix matrix isn't fun. The other thing that I would gently point out is that anthropic's uptime is pretty atrocious

Cool. And?

Those were examples, not answers. Those examples aren't exactly compatible with one another (though bridges exist, but you can bridge anything).

Re: Anthropic, please make a new Slack

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This is just crazy. Lets ask the power company to build some trains for us. They transport electricity, they _must_ know about transporting people. They can power the lines themselves! If this was so easy, teams wouldn't suck, matrix would be everywhere, and discord would be replaced already by the furries (as much as stoat is trying).

Wasn't Slack a gaming company that accidentally became a chat company?

Andreessen Horowitz was a major backer of Slack's predecessor, Tiny Speck, which was originally building a game called Glitch.

When Glitch failed in 2012, founder Stewart Butterfield offered to return the remaining $6 million to investors. Ben Horowitz instead encouraged Butterfield to pivot and build out the internal communication tool the team had developed for themselves, which eventually became Slack.

I saw an interview (don't have the link at hand unfortunately) where Horowitz said he didn't much care for the $6M as he had already been set at that point moneywise, and essentially wanted to gamble on an off chance Slack succeeds.

Horowitz continued to support the company through its rapid growth and eventual direct public offering (DPO) in 2019.

Re: Anthropic, please make a new Slack

#138

Use Zulip. The migration out of Slack is actually quite easy and preserves all messages, files, etc. Even the user migration is straightforward, keeping Google or whoever as the identity provider if you prefer.

Zulip is not even close to Slack. It keeps crashing.

I lead the Zulip project and I'm not aware of any common crash issues with either our server or any of our apps.

Can you share details on what you're experiencing with us? https://zulip.com/help/contact-support.

Re: Anthropic, please make a new Slack

#139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zulip is not even close to Slack. It keeps crashing.

I lead the Zulip project and I'm not aware of any common crash issues with either our server or any of our apps. Can you share details on what you're experiencing with us? https://zulip.com/help/contact-support .

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