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Re: macOS Tahoe windows have different corner radiuses

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Post by dmd »

hulitu wrote: post #88
merlindru wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> seemingly bright idea i disagree about that one. im not a UX expert by any means but my first impression at WWDC seeing liquid glass was "holy shit, they pulled that off? i know apple would never compromise on legibility, so... how? there are so many situations where this won't work, and they can't exactly control the content that the buttons are overlaid on top of" cue my confusion when it was exactly that: an obv…

> i disagree about that one. Why ? I'm sick of square windows. I want disc windows. And instead of scrolling them, i want to rotate them. /s Fixing bugs is hard. Better focus on the aesthetics.

I've got great news for you! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shape_extension

Re: macOS Tahoe windows have different corner radiuses

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Post by chilmers »

merlindru wrote: post #61
torben-friis wrote: post #44

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There is so much of that in modern apple. Clear issues caused by a seemingly bright idea, but the idea still pushed forward no matter what. One example that I hate on iOS: the notification/lockscreen curtain is supposed to cover the content as it slides down. That’s what a curtain does, this has been the language for years. Now the curtain is transparent, so it can’t cover the content behind. How does the content dis…

> seemingly bright idea i disagree about that one. im not a UX expert by any means but my first impression at WWDC seeing liquid glass was "holy shit, they pulled that off? i know apple would never compromise on legibility, so... how? there are so many situations where this won't work, and they can't exactly control the content that the buttons are overlaid on top of" cue my confusion when it was exactly that: an obv…

I think a primary concern when Apple evolves their new design language nowadays is competitive differentiation. Because so many people try to clone their UI, they seek to add visual elements like frosting, glass, squircles, etc. that are difficult or impossible to achieve in competing platforms. Gradually others catch up and they need to evolve it again. Liquid Glass seems like an aesthetic choice made purely for the technical difficulty of the simulated physics necessary to accurately recreate it.

Re: macOS Tahoe windows have different corner radiuses

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Post by coldtea »

s3p wrote: post #85
torben-friis wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is so much of that in modern apple. Clear issues caused by a seemingly bright idea, but the idea still pushed forward no matter what. One example that I hate on iOS: the notification/lockscreen curtain is supposed to cover the content as it slides down. That’s what a curtain does, this has been the language for years. Now the curtain is transparent, so it can’t cover the content behind. How does the content dis…

This one has always confused me. And then, to be even more confusing, if you start sliding up slowly, the background does not disappear. It stays this time around. Pull down slowly, no background, just the glass effect. Pull up slowly, still have the background, no glass effect. I guess I don't necessarily hate it, it's more of a neutral thing, but who is deciding these strange things??

>I guess I don't necessarily hate it, it's more of a neutral thing, but who is deciding these strange things??

Probably nobody, just some artifact of the overlay APIs used default behavior that they didn't bother to streamline.

Re: macOS Tahoe windows have different corner radiuses

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Post by coldtea »

unfunco wrote: post #108
postalcoder wrote: post #12

This one really bothers me. Whenever maximizing or tiling my windows (which is all the time), I see multiple layers of oddly rounded corners. I think if there's any upside to Tahoe, the grievances may push me into blogging for the first time ever, because I can't keep these to myself. I actually feel sorry for Apple's developers because there's no way you ship software this bad and inconsistent unless you've been han…

Are the Apple-owned app windows inconsistent too? I see some inconsistencies but it's generally 3rd party apps mixed with Apple's apps.

Some do, yes.

Re: macOS Tahoe windows have different corner radiuses

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Post by trymas »

Karliss wrote: post #82
galad87 wrote: post #15

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To align the window corner radius to the window close/minimize/resize buttons distance from the edge of the window.

Except it kind of fails at that too. The window corners seem to be either based on those squircle things or some kind of other varying radii curve which eases out into sides much more gradually than proper circles. The window buttons (close, minimize) the round toolbar buttons anchored to top right corner are based on proper circles. Attempting to center circle in a varying curvature corner results in varying spacing…

Exactly!

And to OC you're replying to: window close/minimise/resize were already equidistant from window edge on macOS 15 and probably earlier.

Here is a screenshot (safari in the background, textedit in front): https://pasteboard.co/OeMBTDKGsTx9.png

In MacOS 26 it's only weirder, because as you say - due to squircle window corners, now we have this constantly varying distance to the edge.

EDIT: I "get" apple's fascination to squircle, but why they made it such a big radius. Probably no one would've complained if they just have changed from current ~15-20px rounded corners into ~15-20px squircles, but they went 50px+ on toolbared windows.

Re: macOS Tahoe windows have different corner radiuses

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Post by coldtea »

ajkjk wrote: post #77
postalcoder wrote: post #12

This one really bothers me. Whenever maximizing or tiling my windows (which is all the time), I see multiple layers of oddly rounded corners. I think if there's any upside to Tahoe, the grievances may push me into blogging for the first time ever, because I can't keep these to myself. I actually feel sorry for Apple's developers because there's no way you ship software this bad and inconsistent unless you've been han…

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>for the life of my I can't understand why y'all care so much about this.

Because we fucking have to see it every day. And the sloppiness compounds and is indicative of further rot.

Of course the different radii also means different code paths were used, which points to a mess of APIs and frameworks underneath too.

And that's before we add the usability issues (like hard to read labels due to the glass effect and such, or bizare dragging boundaries, etc).

>Doesn't that seem a bit... particular?

Good software is about being particular.

If we wanted any random crap, we'd use any random crap.

Re: macOS Tahoe windows have different corner radiuses

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Post by hulitu »

nashashmi wrote: post #51

The rounded corners is such a key element of apple design. They patented rounded corners on the iphone for precisely this reason. They wanted to trademark this but got a design patent instead. And then samsung notoriously copied this one almost verbatim same radius which pissed off apple.

> The rounded corners is such a key element of apple design.

See Windows 11.

Re: macOS Tahoe windows have different corner radiuses

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Post by ileonichwiesz »

Towaway69 wrote: post #114
ajkjk wrote: post #77

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There are people who have OCD and can’t help but seeing these things. It’s great for coding and seeing minor changes but its shit for real life - trust me. The number of times auto update of some app has caused the thought process “but that wasn’t like that yesterday… or was it… hm… oh it was an update”. Just minor things, small mostly unnoticeable if don’t have an “eye for details”.

That’s not OCD, it’s just paying attention to detail.

Re: macOS Tahoe windows have different corner radiuses

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Post by aurareturn »

stein1946 wrote: post #45

It just seems to me that that Macbook Neo is basically them telling us that come next year they will unify iOS and MacOS and they are testing the waters at the moment. All this version alignment, the blurring of "here is a laptop with A processor and iOS" points to that direction. The errs of Tahoe are basically a result of the rush on that direction

If anything, Neo signals they will not merge macOS and iOS.

Why would they if they just released a brand new MacBook?

The SoC is just a way to differentiate from the Air and to keep costs low.

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