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Re: Glaze by Raycast

#131
Raycast didn't raise $10B so they clearly aren't building their own model.

So this is just another Codex/Cursor/Vscode but with different branding to target MacOS apps? Is there any novel features or is it literally just a pure play branding/packaging exercise over the openai/anthropic API to trick normies?

I'm starting to get even more negative on AI coding tools...somehow they provide even less value-add than the trivial AI copywriting apps. At least the writing apps have to contend with building a text editor and workflows around collaboration/approval/publishing, which is actually a real value-add over the raw model API.

But I've yet to find a coding tool with a moat given there's zero workflow differentiation even for large teams -- collaboration, approvals and pushing to prod is all handled by git either way!

Re: Glaze by Raycast

#132
The framing (and name) of this company (subsidiary?) is a bit unfortunate. If this had been built as a natural extension to the Raycast API, with the advertised benefit of being able to create desktop applications, I think it would go over a lot better than presenting it as a different product altogether that dilutes the main offering

Re: Glaze by Raycast

#134
post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't think we are anywhere near a tool like this for native, but that's a lost battle anyway. I hope it's not a lost battle, tbh. I was hoping with AI & Vibe Coding we'd see sort of a resurgence of native first desktop apps, but so far it's just all been a continuation of the web app & web tech hegemony. Maybe not for Windows as their native GUI story is a lost cause now, but for sure macOS and I had hopes of it…

I have been seeing more and more native desktop apps in the past few months (octarine for instance), but most of them would've honestly been better off as web-apps, or at least a polished electron app. > seems to be hostile to any AI generated code at all for now. Because the majority of vibe-coded apps are low effort.

Octarine dev here! Unfortunately the app doesn't work for the web given the architectural decisions.

Also the app's been around for over 3 years now, and isn't vibe coded (since I saw it in this thread around vibe coding apps).

Open to any feedback if you've been using it for a while

Re: Glaze by Raycast

#135
Until something happens that disproves this, my personal belief is that supervision and manual review is one of the best ways to use a coding agent. You don't need to understand everything it does, but you will benefit from a technical background and from at least surface-level knowledge or intuition about what it spits out.

I review every diff Claude Code applies and periodically re-review entire projects as a whole. Through this, I've managed to keep architectures fairly principled with future expansions in mind. I recently managed to essentially two-shot an MLX implementation of a working forward pass for a diffusion language model, based on CUDA source code that is not compatible with my machine. There's more work needed before it's anywhere usable in practice, but the fact that the model is now running at all on my machine is a very impressive start.

For that, I had it study the CUDA source code and write a very detailed document with its analysis of exactly how the model is implemented. This document only had one material flaw. Then it studied MLX for a while and spat out a running forward pass based on the flawed document. The output wasn't of sufficient quality, so I had it insert debug prints throughout the whole inference process to see where it was going wrong. It found and fixed the forward pass and the flaw in the document. I needed no domain experience in LLMs or DLMs for this (although I benefit from some minor past contributions to RWKV.cpp).

Another example is that I recently started getting into SwiftUI, and Claude Code is doing a very good job at demonstrating code patterns and pointing me towards APIs that may solve my problems. It also helped me set up things like API clients (which itself, of course, gave me pointers to all the sorts of documentation I'd benefit from reading in full). I reject a very large fraction of its suggestions, I tweak its plans very frequently and I tell it off a lot from things that either are unidiomatic or are objectively terrible hacks. But it is incredibly useful for menial work, for enumerating possibilities, for quickly scaffolding placeholder content, and for demonstrating patterns I haven't learned yet as they apply to my specific situation. For example, Claude Code quickly learned me how to use NSViewRepresentable, whereas in a past project where I didn't use LLMs, I absolutely struggled to embed a Metal view.

But all that is to say that I'm skeptical of solutions that try to have you describe your idea in plain language; that try to insulate you from the code; or that make the lie that you just don't have to worry about it. If you work at all on the kinds of projects I work on, which are chock-full of reverse engineering and an obsessive focus on tightly-controlled design and idiomatic code, I firmly believe that treating the code like a black-box is not the way to do it. I don't know if Glaze truly hides the code, but I don't see any mention of it in the trailer video and that makes me feel a little dismissive.

Re: Glaze by Raycast

#136
post #90

I don't understand how these type of projects are still tried and get any traction... anyone who has tried them will 100% know it won't go beyond a happy path demo. If they want to seriously use/publish the app beyond playing around, it'll require weeks of iteration via AI, which will cost you an arm and a leg in tokens.

Founder of Raycast here so obviously biased but you’ll be surprised. You get a working app one-shotted pretty much all the time. Sure if it is something more complex you might need a few more prompts. Just to give you some examples on what we’ve seen: - Our support team runs on Glaze apps to review Raycast extensions. It connects to GitHub, checks out code locally, gets realtime updates and so on. - The sound agency…

So is this self-hosted? Was this version of Glaze built with Glaze?

Re: Glaze by Raycast

#137
post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm also just working on my first iOS Swift app (Mostly for myself, don't know yet if I'll make it public as it's just a clone of Swarm / Gowalla but based on OpenStreetMap data) and it works really well with Claude Code. I'm not using the Xcode integration and so there's still some rough parts where build errors show up in Xcode and I then have to paste them into my Terminal. When you are used to backend work...it's…

why are you using the xcode UI at all? you can ask claude to run the build via CLI, which will return build errors that claude can read and fix itself until it works. it can even take screenshots from the simulator to debug the app UI.

Mostly because I'm still very new to it and I use it to publish the app to my phone. There's probably a way to do via CLI but for now it's easier to see progress and flip some config values in the UI if you don't know yet where all the files are.

Re: Glaze by Raycast

#138
post #90

I don't understand how these type of projects are still tried and get any traction... anyone who has tried them will 100% know it won't go beyond a happy path demo. If they want to seriously use/publish the app beyond playing around, it'll require weeks of iteration via AI, which will cost you an arm and a leg in tokens.

Founder of Raycast here so obviously biased but you’ll be surprised. You get a working app one-shotted pretty much all the time. Sure if it is something more complex you might need a few more prompts. Just to give you some examples on what we’ve seen: - Our support team runs on Glaze apps to review Raycast extensions. It connects to GitHub, checks out code locally, gets realtime updates and so on. - The sound agency…

Honestly Glaze is brilliant.

I assume there is an extensive set of rails for the agent to tie into. (Compare this to asking Claude to green fields an app. Do you use electron? How are notifications handled? Icons? Permissions?)

It springboard off Raycast’s teams feature so well it actually gives it a real reason to exist. You’re empowering the one systems thinker in the group to export their automations to the rest of the group in a way that’s proven to work: small apps that do one thing. (Big apps get complicated, become full time projects that distract from the task at hand)

Fig tried this but it was just for engineers, the value prop was missing, Glaze seems to get this right.

Very nicely done!

Re: Glaze by Raycast

#139
post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have been seeing more and more native desktop apps in the past few months (octarine for instance), but most of them would've honestly been better off as web-apps, or at least a polished electron app. > seems to be hostile to any AI generated code at all for now. Because the majority of vibe-coded apps are low effort.

Octarine dev here! Unfortunately the app doesn't work for the web given the architectural decisions. Also the app's been around for over 3 years now, and isn't vibe coded (since I saw it in this thread around vibe coding apps). Open to any feedback if you've been using it for a while

Yup, I know it's been around for longer, probably wasn't the best example. But it's just the first native app I've thought of and with how much it's been changing, it constantly feels new.

I do like most of it, but the pace of upgrades is a bit too fast for me compared to obsidian, which feels more stable for now. There's also parts of the obsidian editor (the plain-text view, I never use preview mode) that just feels better than every other notes app I've tried so far. Although obsidian as a whole is something I'm also trying to move off of.

Love the polish of octarine though. Has the revenue been decent so far?

Re: Glaze by Raycast

#140
Is it's a futuristic teaser and an enjoyable one. But I don't get this focus on "Making Apps". These things been around for like 6 years, why am I still using apps that already existed before ?
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