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I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by jameson »

bArray wrote: post #6

I was sitting in a room the other day with a young adult, we were searching for additional algorithm learning materials. They searched in Google, and accept the cookies. They clicked on a website, and accepted those cookies too. They then started entering their email address to access another service. I was completely taken aback. I'm the sort of person that either rejects the cookies, or will use another site entire…

Most doesn't event know what cookies too. In fact, most doesn't put extra thought into the things they are clicking/accepting on web.

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by arewethereyeta »

d--b wrote: post #45

Age and identity verification can and should be done at the country level. France has an ID service to pay taxes, and they have a network of possible ID verification systems. Like, you can ID through the tax system, or through the healthcare system. It works fine. Implementing an API that uses the same to provide age verification is not rocket science. If you need age verification for a website, say "smedia.fr", then…

you should NOT need any face ID to pay taxes.

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by thewebguyd »

arvid-lind wrote: post #121
adventured wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's an exaggeration. Young people on average have grown up with drastically greater understanding of what a file is than any other generation that has come before them. They grew up using Chromebooks or laptops in school, constantly interacting with the local file systems, uploading files to Instagram and TikTok from the file systems on their smartphones, browsing their phones for files constantly. They know what…

Maybe they do more intuitively think of things as virtual objects, but it seems like the issue is they don't have a deeper understanding of how the mechanisms behind the abstractions work and can easily get fooled into accepting terms they wouldn't if they properly understood.

> easily get fooled into accepting terms they wouldn't if they properly understood.

And easily get sold add-on services. How many people hit the 5GB iCloud limit for backups and just pay without stopping to think that it might be possible to do local backups to your computer and you don't really have to pay for extra storage?

Just hit them with the scary language "You are at risk of losing your photos forever if you don't pay!" because that concept of "Oh, photos are just files in a directory and I can copy those anywhere I want" doesn't exist. To many, those photos are part of the gallery app, not a separate file from it and since that app only runs on the phone, surely it must not be possible to copy them anywhere unless I pay for the storage.

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by [deleted] »

jstanley wrote: post #101
bmacho wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just cookies, it's explicit consent to track you, and sell your browsing history to ~1500 spy companies around the world. To the sibling comments: don't "accept the cookies" and then delete them. - - - I'm super angry at what the web has become, especially at the OS browser community. There is 0 browser (that I know of) that can access the web safely and conveniently. Atm I use Firefox with uBlock which bloc…

> every single extension provides 100% access to my websites to whoever controls the extension. But the browser also has 100% access to all of the websites. The browser is software that works for you. You control the browser. Who but yourself do you imagine controls your extensions?

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Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by adithyassekhar »

jjgreen wrote: post #88
adithyassekhar wrote: post #68

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> As the years have marched on, though, that "birthdate" becomes significantly closer to my real birthday. I understand there's a clever phrasing here but I didn't get it. English is only my second language.

When you're 10, a year is a long time, when you're 60 it is not. There's an implicit "relatively" here, which is unusual but not unknown in English. Almost poetic, I like it.

Thanks now I understand. I am "only" 26, but I remember being 20 like yesterday. I can't believe I'm on the second half of the way to 50. COVID lockdowns and responsibilities didn't help.

I feel time has gone faster since I got a job, if that makes sense. Every day yearning for it to be 5o clock so I can check out, every week yearning for the weekend, every month yearning for the last day to get paid. Doing this is just asking for time to be over sooner.

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by flurdy »

bArray wrote: post #6

I was sitting in a room the other day with a young adult, we were searching for additional algorithm learning materials. They searched in Google, and accept the cookies. They clicked on a website, and accepted those cookies too. They then started entering their email address to access another service. I was completely taken aback. I'm the sort of person that either rejects the cookies, or will use another site entire…

That all random game and messaging sites now wants my kids' passport uploaded to some random 'id verification company' is madness.

But now instead, my 11 year old's Roblox thinks she is 18 because she wore glasses in their age verification webcam tool. And it can't be changed unless she uploads a passport, which I will never allow.

Please, gov.uk introduce a gov ID verification service? I could trust that, -ish, I have worked with public sector clients several times...

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by jameson »

bArray wrote: post #6

I was sitting in a room the other day with a young adult, we were searching for additional algorithm learning materials. They searched in Google, and accept the cookies. They clicked on a website, and accepted those cookies too. They then started entering their email address to access another service. I was completely taken aback. I'm the sort of person that either rejects the cookies, or will use another site entire…

Most doesn't event know what cookies too. In fact, most doesn't put extra thought into the things they are clicking/accepting on web.

Because of this, I found it odd that the regulation allows displaying the accept cookies button. Instead, it should be rejecting cookies by default and a separate flow to accept tracking cookies (e.g. via account settings page)

Re: I'm reluctant to verify my identity or age for any online services

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Post by RGamma »

thewebguyd wrote: post #62
bArray wrote: post #6

I was sitting in a room the other day with a young adult, we were searching for additional algorithm learning materials. They searched in Google, and accept the cookies. They clicked on a website, and accepted those cookies too. They then started entering their email address to access another service. I was completely taken aback. I'm the sort of person that either rejects the cookies, or will use another site entire…

> It is the young people that are growing up conditioned to press accept It's really alarming, actually. I run the cyber security training & phishing simulations at my work, and it's the younger employees that struggle the most. It's like they just assume that everything on the web is trustworthy. It's not hard to see why though. They grew up with app stores & locked down devices. No concept of a file or file system,…

People are also struggling to think about what is computed or stored where or what different wireless interfaces do. Imagine what sort of data people enter into LLMs!
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