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Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Post by DANmode »

subscribed wrote: post #100
fmajid wrote: post #75

I am coming to GrapheneOS from iOS, as recounted in https://blog.majid.info/quit-apple/ My experience with seedvault is not as positive as the OP, it fails for about half my apps. I guess I have another year to fix this when the GrapheneOS enabled Motorola flagship comes out. I carry both my iPhone 16 Plus and my Pixel 8 Pro, but limit my iPhone use to mobile banking, Apple Pay and Find My.

Seedvault is godawful and I'm saying it as a someone using GOS as a daily driver. Utterly awful. Two backup runs can give different results (failing in different places or failing to restore everything), and I haven't heard of the one person it works for every time. I wish I could just run Titanium Backup :(

Log into webapps,

sync files,

new phone set up.

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Post by unethical_ban »

chrizel wrote: post #52
unethical_ban wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this a European thing? Why not use a credit card?

In Europe contactless payment is nearly everywhere - nearly every store supports it. Even in Germany (which is historically very pro-cash), since Covid more and more people pay with card and many of whom pay contactless. In the EU we have some rules that even contactless payments with card sometimes, but not always, need to have some kind of additional authentication in the form of entering your PIN. Contactless paym…

Apple pay is supported in a lot of places, but it depends on the point of sales system. Contactless cards are nearly universal, but some gas stations require chip.

We do not use pins with credit cards here, so that isn't a distinguishing feature of phone pay.

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Post by unethical_ban »

yencabulator wrote: post #129
n8cpdx wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can pay with credit card as a convenience + fraud protection mechanism without ever paying interest by just paying your bill off every month. When chip and pin was first rolled out, Europeans were shocked by the low security of swipe cards in the US. The reason that wasn’t an issue for Americans was (and still is) that credit cards have excellent fraud protections. If someone steals my credit card, it is the bank…

> + fraud protection mechanism This is an Americanism, my European debit card had consumer protection clauses pretty much on par with credit cards.

True. In the US the ability to get money back from fraud is easier for credit card than debit, at least it was a decade ago. Things may have changed.

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Post by snthpy »

haskman wrote: post #109

PSA: For folks looking for a swipe enabled keyboard on GrapheneOS without using Google's gboard, try Heliboard - https://f-droid.org/packages/helium314.keyboard/ . It's 100% FOSS, but can also use the binary blob from google's gesture typing library "swypelibs" to provide swipe typing. Since helium can't access the internet, I am okay with that.

Do they support the ClearFlow layout?

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Post by seanhunter »

traxler wrote: post #44
pietro72ohboy wrote: post #35

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I cannot speak for every country but in the Netherlands, your banking app also serves as a 2FA instrument if you place orders with your credit card. A pop-up notification will ask you to confirm if you have indeed placed the order. While I will admit that it is possible to predict such use cases and take your phone along, it is becoming a bit difficult to predict what part of some account or service's login flow will…

Huh, interesting. I only have those 2FA popups for card payments online or in apps, never for payments in stores.

Certainly in the UK you can get the 2fa app popup in store if you tap to pay with your phone rather than a card. It’s analogous to going for a contactless payment with a card and them asking to insert the card and type the pin (which sometimes happens). It’s pretty rare (as in I have done the vast majority[1] of my payments using contactless on a phone for a couple of years now and I think it’s happened once to me).

[1] Like probably 99%+. I scarcely ever have a card on me and never use cash.

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Post by cromka »

mastermage wrote: post #78
cocoto wrote: post #13

Personally I would just love Apple to be forced by governments to open up their hardware by releasing complete documentation of their hardware and allowing to install another os or dual boot. iPhones hardware is really good and would love booting Linux on theses. And then force every services company to provide an API to their services so we have an alternative to their app. I guess Motorola partnering with GrapheneO…

There is only one government that might be inclined to do that and thats the EU. But good luck lobbying this.

Not necessarily this, but a legislation mandating long-term (10 years) support for software and security updates could result in Apple offering Linux after they decide they don't want to continue releasing macOS for older hardware.

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Post by ranguna »

amelius wrote: post #93
ranguna wrote: post #92

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You can pay with a card on your phone? I mean, sure, if you are buying something online. Not with contactless I think

You can do all things with a browser and a card, yes. I'm assuming that most people will carry the card with them anyway.

Sure, if you are ok walking around with a card. I've been "walletless" for the past 6 years or so, and I don't want to go back.

Leaving and coming back home and only have to mentally track one object that I can't forget is great. If it breaks, I'll temporarily use cards or physical money until I get a new phone and install everything again.

"Use a card" is not really a good alternative for those that prefer not to use them. Sure it works for you, but not everyone has your preferences of walking around with a wallet.

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Post by unethical_ban »

Flameancer wrote: post #80
chrizel wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Europe contactless payment is nearly everywhere - nearly every store supports it. Even in Germany (which is historically very pro-cash), since Covid more and more people pay with card and many of whom pay contactless. In the EU we have some rules that even contactless payments with card sometimes, but not always, need to have some kind of additional authentication in the form of entering your PIN. Contactless paym…

Not really. Outside of Walmart and maybe a smaller store ran by an older mom and pop shop, you can use NFC payments practically anywhere even at a drive thru. Only reason I still have my wallet is mainly for drivers license, but even that’s on the horizon.

I like having cash for tipping and dining, particularly bars where closing out can take a long time and I don't deal with coins. I also keep a copy of my emergency 2FA backup for my password safe in case my phone breaks or gets lost when I'm traveling.

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Post by icar »

haskman wrote: post #109

PSA: For folks looking for a swipe enabled keyboard on GrapheneOS without using Google's gboard, try Heliboard - https://f-droid.org/packages/helium314.keyboard/ . It's 100% FOSS, but can also use the binary blob from google's gesture typing library "swypelibs" to provide swipe typing. Since helium can't access the internet, I am okay with that.

I use GBoard without internet permission.

Re: Daily Driving GrapheneOS

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Post by haskman »

gruez wrote: post #128
yencabulator wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FUTO, unlike everything else discussed here, is not FOSS. https://gitlab.futo.org/keyboard/latinime/-/blob/master/LICE...

>You may distribute the software or any part of its source code only if you do so free of charge for non-commercial purposes. Semantic arguments over what "FOSS" means aside, for most people, calling it "not FOSS" probably makes them more confused than if you just said "it's FOSS", even if the latter might not be technically correct.

It's not just a technicality. FUTO not being FOSS means that the community cannot fork and maintain the keyboard in case of a rug pull. In addition, not being FOSS means that FUTO is not on fdroid, and requires a payment on other stores.
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