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Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by arugulum »

Imnimo wrote: post #16

I don't see how OpenAI employees who have signed the We Will Not Be Divided letter can continue their employment there in light of this. Surely if OpenAI had insisted upon the same things that Anthropic had, the government would not have signed this agreement. The only plausible explanation is that there is an understanding that OpenAI will not, in practice, enforce the red lines.

> Surely if OpenAI had insisted upon the same things that Anthropic had, the government would not have signed this agreement.

But they did.

"Two of our most important safety principles are prohibitions on domestic mass surveillance and human responsibility for the use of force, including for autonomous weapon systems. The DoW agrees with these principles, reflects them in law and policy, and we put them into our agreement."

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by straydusk »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #105
straydusk wrote: post #49

I know the reaction to this, if you're a rational observer, is "OpenAI have cut corners or made concessions that Anthropic did not, that's the only thing that makes sense." However, if you live in the US and pay a passing attention to our idiotic politics, you know this is right out of the Trump playbook. It goes like this: * Make a negotiation personal * Emotionally lash out and kill the negotiation * Complete a wor…

Another good question: If OpenAI knew Anthropic wasn't a competitor... was the price higher? Will the federal government also pay more for a worse product?

You'd have to think so. They're really the only serious player left - I doubt Google would want to be involved, and xAI is a significant step down.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by abraxas »

lefrenchy wrote: post #78

This will backfire on Sam someday, he’s just a pawn in the agenda of the Trump admin.

I hope so but I am less optimistic. The oligarchy in Russia who remained loyal to the Putin regime have done just fine for decades as long as they did not attempt to overthrow the dictator. The regime in Washington is basically constructing the same type of kleptocracy and very little evidence is there that anyone who matters will get in their way. So far as I can tell the country is already a form of authoritarian regime where the loyalty to the supreme ruler is the main parameter of conducting business there.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by slopinthebag »

mkozlows wrote: post #65

So there are two possibilities here: 1. There's no substantive change. Hegseth/Trump just wanted to punish Anthropic for standing up to them, even if it didn't get them anything else today -- establishing a chilling effect for the future has some value for them in this case, after all. And OpenAI was willing to help them do that, despite earlier claiming that they stood behind Anthropic's decisions. 2. There is a sub…

> OpenAI has aligned with Trump against Anthropic in a place where Anthropic made a correct principled stand.

Just to be clear, you believe that the correct, principled stand is that it's OK to use their models for killing people and civilian surveillance?

Both OAI and Anthropic have the same moral leg to stand on here, OAI is just not hypocritical about it.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by newguytony »

arugulum wrote: post #131
Imnimo wrote: post #16

I don't see how OpenAI employees who have signed the We Will Not Be Divided letter can continue their employment there in light of this. Surely if OpenAI had insisted upon the same things that Anthropic had, the government would not have signed this agreement. The only plausible explanation is that there is an understanding that OpenAI will not, in practice, enforce the red lines.

> Surely if OpenAI had insisted upon the same things that Anthropic had, the government would not have signed this agreement. But they did. "Two of our most important safety principles are prohibitions on domestic mass surveillance and human responsibility for the use of force, including for autonomous weapon systems. The DoW agrees with these principles, reflects them in law and policy, and we put them into our agre…

Good ole Sammy has never lied

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

Robdel12 wrote: post #111
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that many of those would-be fact checkers have massive incentives to lie about it. So regardless of whether it is true, you're going to see a number of detailed and well-researched pieces over the weekend arguing that Altman is right and this whole thing is Anthropic's fault. The set of people who could cause OpenAI to burn and the set of people who have millions of dollars riding on its success substa…

Yeah, you’re right. I’m overly hopeful and naïve Edit: as soon as I hit submit I realized this might sound condescending, but I actually mean this lol

FWIW I thought the intent was clear.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by [deleted] »

nearlyepic wrote: post #70
corford wrote: post #43

If you're unhappy with this, an immediate way to signal it is with your wallet. In my case I've just uninstalled chatgpt from my phone, cancelled my subscription and will up my spend with anthropic.

Do you honestly believe that cancelling a subscription makes a bit of difference to a company that is either committing accounting fraud on a monumental scale or shoveling venture capital money into a furnace? not to mention the whole collaborating with a fascist government thing. taking real action is your choice, but stop pretending this kind of thing matters one iota edit: to be clear, i'm not advocating for nihil…

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Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by mkozlows »

slopinthebag wrote: post #134
mkozlows wrote: post #65

So there are two possibilities here: 1. There's no substantive change. Hegseth/Trump just wanted to punish Anthropic for standing up to them, even if it didn't get them anything else today -- establishing a chilling effect for the future has some value for them in this case, after all. And OpenAI was willing to help them do that, despite earlier claiming that they stood behind Anthropic's decisions. 2. There is a sub…

> OpenAI has aligned with Trump against Anthropic in a place where Anthropic made a correct principled stand. Just to be clear, you believe that the correct, principled stand is that it's OK to use their models for killing people and civilian surveillance? Both OAI and Anthropic have the same moral leg to stand on here, OAI is just not hypocritical about it.

If you believe that any country should have a military and intelligence apparatus, the job of that apparatus is to kill people and surveil foreigners. I do think the US government should have a military and intelligence apparatus. Therefore, any company that works with it, from suppliers of clothing and food to suppliers of compute and AI, are supporting an organization with that mission.

The US military _does not_ need to build autonomous weapon systems and _should not_ surveil US citizens broadly.

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