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Binance fired employees who found $1.7B in crypto was sent to Iran

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Isn't this like the #1 use case for crypto? Everyone wants an untrackable unblockable currency that is out of government control until the day it is used for things they don't like, then suddenly "government please control this!"

The #1 use case for crypto is that it's anonymous like cash. And yes, this enables people to use it for crime... just like they use cash . The unavoidable cost of freedom has always been that some people will misuse it. Personally, I would rather have freedom even if it gets misused than not have freedom even if it means crime is over.

I'll bet $100 that the percentage of crypto used for crime is higher than the percentage of cash used for crime.

Re: Binance fired employees who found $1.7B in crypto was sent to Iran

#132

The article title doesn't say "Fired". The HN title is kind of misleading.

It not the original title but I'm not sure it's "misleading" > Within weeks, Binance fired or suspended at least four employees involved in the investigation, according to the documents and three people with knowledge of the situation. The company cited issues such as “violations of company protocol” related to the handling of client data.

Wild that Binance's primary concern was that the privacy of the people committing crimes with their service was being violated.

Hear no evil, and let the money roll in.

Re: Binance fired employees who found $1.7B in crypto was sent to Iran

#133
post #62

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I know some pretty sharp folks who fork for various police departments chasing illicit crypto related activity. The amount of stuff they can track including timing of transactions, entry and exit points, etc, and so over a long period of time means that most of the traditional anyonmization methods like tumblers simply do not work. Eventually someone, somewhere makes a mistake and the transactions and wallets can be…

I am working to track and trace and time transactions and while this is possible when and if you know the identity of at least one participant it’s quite another thing when no identity is known at all. Criminals know that so it’s notoriously hard to pull off. Thanks to Daleware secrecy and lax Super PAC rules to disclose sources of funds it’s not going to get easier. So either your friends are genius saucers or they…

Sorry, I'm a bit fuzzy on the details, but I know that he usually goes after big fish - people who deal in bulk or are somehow involved in manufacturing, not dudes who order pills in the mail. These people are usually being investigated/surveilled otherwise, and he does work with the police, so you could say he has 'government intelligence'.

Re: Binance fired employees who found $1.7B in crypto was sent to Iran

#134
post #6

Isn't this like the #1 use case for crypto? Everyone wants an untrackable unblockable currency that is out of government control until the day it is used for things they don't like, then suddenly "government please control this!"

I thought the #1 use case for crypto was ransomware, followed by shitcoin rug-pulls, and the ability to commit theft without recourse. Sending money to Iran is just a minor edge case.

You forgot gambling on crypto exchanges.

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post #129

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I mean, I can meet you in an ally, transfer some satoshis from my wallet to yours, you hand me a wad of cash/jewels/MtG/collector funkos and you might not even know my name.

Hmm, doesn't this work equally well with a wad of $10 and $20 notes? I mean, yes, notes could be clandestinely marked. But aren't bitcoins also traceable after the first transaction?

yes but harder to move 10M in cash around from country to country.

I'm assuming I'm purchasing/selling a lot of MtG/Funko here in this example.

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#136
post #94

Contrary to a lot of comments here, the only way to use bitcoin (or any cryptocurrency) without tracking is to mine it yourself, and even then... Where did you get it? Purchased/transferred? Where did they get it? What else did the person with that wallet do? If the answer is "mined", even then, you have to actually do something with it, right? Buy something? Where is that something shipped? At worst you'll have to p…

I mean, I can meet you in an ally, transfer some satoshis from my wallet to yours, you hand me a wad of cash/jewels/MtG/collector funkos and you might not even know my name.

Sounds like a setup to get robbed tbqh.

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#137
post #65

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Bear in mind that this guy pleaded guilty in a court case. In my mind that doesn't mean shit. Prosecution said, "if this goes to trial, we'll try to get life in prison. Or you could take our plea deal." That is why 90-some percent of prosecutions (EDIT: in the U. S.) go plea deal instead of trial.

I would imagine very rich people have extremely good lawyers though that can tell them very accurately if they will get off if it goes to trial.

The best lawyers in the world won't be able to give you any guarantees about how a jury will feel.

Re: Binance fired employees who found $1.7B in crypto was sent to Iran

#138
post #94

Contrary to a lot of comments here, the only way to use bitcoin (or any cryptocurrency) without tracking is to mine it yourself, and even then... Where did you get it? Purchased/transferred? Where did they get it? What else did the person with that wallet do? If the answer is "mined", even then, you have to actually do something with it, right? Buy something? Where is that something shipped? At worst you'll have to p…

Yeah, crypto as normally managed is one of the most traceable currencies. The block chain is in fact a complete log of transactions. Naturally that means there are no untraceable uses despite your sound-of-one-hand-clapping thought experiment.

Re: Binance fired employees who found $1.7B in crypto was sent to Iran

#139

Is Iran supposed supposed to be banned on Binance?

Every US company/citizen is not allowed to do trade with Iran due to the ITSR laws except under highly specific situations. It gets more complex if a company is multinational though. A citizen can travel to Iran but even if they buy something there on holiday if they bring it back to the US they need to go through complex customs procedures to make sure its legally brought back in.

> Every US company/citizen [...] if they bring it back to the US

Is that relevant here?

> Binance Holdings Ltd., branded Binance, [...] was founded in 2017 by Changpeng Zhao. Binance was initially based in China, then moved to Japan, subsequently left Japan for Malta, and currently has no official company headquarters.

The founder seems to have been born in China and is Canadian.

I still also don't understand if Iran is supposed to be banned on Binance or not.

Re: Binance fired employees who found $1.7B in crypto was sent to Iran

#140
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Copyright isn't being circumvented - the content of the website is made available for the public and the website just grabs what is publicly available.

Redistributing copyrighted content is the literal definition of copyright infringement. Using it for your own purposes, without distribution, is another story. This link was posted with intent to facilitate the distribution of copyrighted material. The person who posted it justified posting the link by saying some people don't have a subscription. I understand that some people think copyright shouldn't exist, but it…

I'll start caring about copyright when the government starts caring about my personal information that is being traded around the internet (with the help of journalism). Information is money, and we're all being stolen from.
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