"book steaks" is in the list, but I don't think it' real. Maybe it was supposed to be "stack".
Half million 'Words with Spaces' missing from dictionaries
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Re: Half million 'Words with Spaces' missing from dictionaries
#132> “Boiling water” isn’t “water that happens to be boiling.” It’s a hazard, a cooking stage, a state of matter I guess we'll have to disagree then, because "boiling water" is "water that's boiling" to me. It's not a different state of matter to "water", that would be "steam". It being a hazard doesn't mean it's a singular concept, same as "wet floor"
Boiling water is mostly same as boiling anything. So I would just have "boiling". No need for "boiling water". I see no reason why boiling water could not just be covered by whatever general boiling entry covers.
Re: Half million 'Words with Spaces' missing from dictionaries
#133Earlier quoted context omitted.
We have the word slush to mean a mixture of ice and water. A single word for boiling water would occupy a similar conceptual space. While these are not separate states of matter, they ARE special thermodynamic systems, with the particular property that they tend to remain exactly at the phase transition temperature while heat is added or removed from the system. This is a somewhere esoteric technical distinction, but…
but what about boiling milk? or boiling oil? I get your point, I just don't understand why we would have a word for boiling water but then still need boiling-x for everything else that boils. edit: In those other languages is it like how we use ice? where water is the default, but it could mean any frozen liquid?
I could see boiling oil being it's own word because when used as a weapon it's unlikely to actually be boiling and yet still be called "boiling oil".
Re: Half million 'Words with Spaces' missing from dictionaries
#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Adding two words together creates a new and different concept. The permutations necessary to represent every concept ever formed by combining two or more different words would be endless. May I introduce you to the German language? We have "gesundheitszeugnis" (health certificate) and "bärenstark" (strong as a bear), and of course "[der] Donaudampfschifffahrtsgesellschaftskapitän" ([the] Danube Steamship Navigation…
And we don't expect dictionaries to contain every compound word you could come up with in German either.
Not the ones that someone could come up with, just the ones people do use.
Re: Half million 'Words with Spaces' missing from dictionaries
#135If the first example was "monkey wrench" instead of "boiling water", we'd never have seen the article.
Re: Half million 'Words with Spaces' missing from dictionaries
#136If the compound words all have single word entries in the dictionary that when combined mean the same thing what is the point?
Water: transparent, odorless, tasteless liquid
Boiling: having reached the boiling point
Boiling Water: transparent, odorless, tasteless liquid which has reached the boiling point
If Boiling Water had some other completely different meaning that has nothing to do with the individual words then sure, maybe, otherwise this is completely redundant and opinionated.
Re: Half million 'Words with Spaces' missing from dictionaries
#137If the compound words all have single word entries in the dictionary that when combined mean the same thing what is the point? Water: transparent, odorless, tasteless liquid Boiling: having reached the boiling point Boiling Water: transparent, odorless, tasteless liquid which has reached the boiling point If Boiling Water had some other completely different meaning that has nothing to do with the individual words the…
As an English native, I'd rather see proper nouns in a dictionary before seeing "compound words".
Personally, I don't agree that "boiling water" is a word (with a space) - I would refer to it as a phrase if it had specific meaning, but it just seems like an ordinary pairing of adjective and noun. Also, if a word can contain a space, then what is the meaning of "words" as there doesn't seem an easy way to distinguish between a "compound word" and a common phrase. Is "barking dog" a pair of words, a compound word or a phrase? (It's a pair of words in my mind)
Re: Half million 'Words with Spaces' missing from dictionaries
#138> “Boiling water” isn’t “water that happens to be boiling.” It’s a hazard, a cooking stage, a state of matter I guess we'll have to disagree then, because "boiling water" is "water that's boiling" to me. It's not a different state of matter to "water", that would be "steam". It being a hazard doesn't mean it's a singular concept, same as "wet floor"
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#139Two related compound words from a Norwegian dialect, both mean "fish food":
Fiskemat Fiskmat
The latter means food made from fish, the former means food for fish. Standard varieties of Norwegian only use the former to mean both, to the annoyance of many old fishermen.
This maybe illustrates why the author's examples such as boiling water aren't so weird. Yes, in English it means water that's boiling, but you have to know that. It could for instance have meant water for boiling, like "cooling water" means water for cooling say in a nuclear reactor, not water which is in the process of getting cool.
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#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
> but boiled water is steam > We do not have separate words for freezing water or boiling water . I don't know how it is in other languages but in English "boiled water" and "boiling water" refer to different things - boiled water may be steam or water that has underwent some boiling, e.g. for sanitation, on the other hand "boiling water" refers strictly to water that is in the process of boiling. I can see why some…
Yes, and substitution of boil ed for boil ing water has produced many terrible cups of tea. It depends on the tea, but some cannot be well made with a metal pot of water that's taken a few minutes to get from the kettle to the table.
Arguably it depends more on the atmospheric pressure to get boiling water as close as possible to 100°C.
The general rule of thumb is that black tea (i.e. fermented tea leaves) should be brewed at 100°C, green tea (non-fermented tea leaves) should be brewed around 80°C to avoid it being bitter and white tea (young, non-fermented tea leaves) is best at around 70°C.