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Re: Over 80% of 16 to 24-year-olds would vote to rejoin the EU

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Post by breakyerself »

kjksf wrote: post #120
breakyerself wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bingo. Just like wanting to leave the EU was self destructive cutting off immigration is as well. The US is in the process of trying to hobble its own economy right now.

Poland has almost zero immigration and is one of the fastest European economies. Do explain the miracle of Poland. What kind of economics work for Poland but couldn't possibly work for England. Do explain how 41 thousand unskilled young man landing in UK shores via small boats are good for economy. Majority of them do no work, not even the low skill jobs. They cost UK citizens a lot of money because UK gov took upon…

There's a lot of ukrainians in Poland

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breakyerself wrote: post #131
kjksf wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Poland has almost zero immigration and is one of the fastest European economies. Do explain the miracle of Poland. What kind of economics work for Poland but couldn't possibly work for England. Do explain how 41 thousand unskilled young man landing in UK shores via small boats are good for economy. Majority of them do no work, not even the low skill jobs. They cost UK citizens a lot of money because UK gov took upon…

There's a lot of ukrainians in Poland

They started arriving well into the trend, and they didn't make such a big difference.

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Post by netsharc »

kjksf wrote: post #117
netsharc wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because Poles and Romanians are "other" enough to be hated... Ironically Britain had then to "import" people from Asia, Africa to e.g. work in the hospitals. The foreigner-hate is so short-sighted. Your underpaid hospital worker, house cleaner, fruit picker, taxi driver, UberEats delivery is usually foreign, they don't mind working the exploitative conditions because for them the money is much better than home, provi…

First, they didn't have to. Crazy idea: educate more people, lower barriers to entry, hire people from poorer western countries and not Africa. Poland has hospitals staffed 100% by Polish people. What prevents UK from doing the same? Second, if immigration was only for skilled workers to plug shortages of certain skills, it would not be a problem. It's a problem because in 2025 estimated 41 thousand unskilled people,…

> UK gov for some unexplained reason decided that they are responsible for housing and feeding them. The money comes from taxing UK citizens.

I see your winginess from your post. You're going to stop reading this because you'll find it disgusting, but hey I'll bother anyway: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/04/dina-nayeri-un...

She wrote: > Civilised people don’t ask for resumes when answering calls from the edge of a grave. It shouldn’t matter what I did after I cleaned myself off and threw away the last of my asylum-seeking clothes. My accomplishments should belong only to me. There should be no question of earning my place, of showing that I was a good bet. My family and I were once humans in danger, and we knocked on the doors of every embassy we came across: the UK, America, Australia, Italy. America answered and so, decades later, I still feel a need to bow down to airport immigration officers simply for saying “Welcome home”.

> But what America did was a basic human obligation. It is the obligation of every person born in a safer room to open the door when someone in danger knocks. It is your duty to answer us, even if we don’t give you sugary success stories.

But heck, "civilised people", I'm beginning to doubt very much that Western Europeans deserve that moniker.

You write:

> Poland has hospitals staffed 100% by Polish people. What prevents UK from doing the same?

Maybe because UK kids don't want the underpaid overwork conditions? Why not pay them better and give more of the taxpayer's money for the NHS, oh some of you will moan about that as well? Maybe the NHS will be forced to spend the money for outsourcing, ensuring the Tory-run outsourcing companies earn those nice bucks - hey why not direct your anger at them?

> And they don't work so you now have mostly young males loitering in neighborhoods.

Yeah, perversely refugees applying for permit aren't allowed to earn income, so again it's the government preventing them to work. Allow them to pick those fruits for some income and you'll moan about the government making the country even more attractive for people to run away from bullets and bombs...

Re: Over 80% of 16 to 24-year-olds would vote to rejoin the EU

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Post by oliwarner »

HPsquared wrote: post #30

The UK is such a trap for professionals. It's one of the worst places in the developed world for living standards of white-collar professionals, except a tiny slice of finance workers in London. Especially bad for engineers, and has been for a long time.

Your criteria for "living standards" being pay?

Re: Over 80% of 16 to 24-year-olds would vote to rejoin the EU

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Post by raincole »

rswail wrote: post #100
raincole wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Read it as "when they get older" if that makes you feel better. It's known that people are more likely to switch from liberal to conservatives when they get older than vice versa.

Except that is not happening with the current generations. The move from fiscal liberty to conservatism happened with previous generations because they accumulated assets like housing etc that they want to protect. The current millenial/GenZ generations are dealing with multiple economic crises during their career development, as well as property and other asset bubbles keeping them from accumulating the same assets…

> they accumulated assets like housing

Which they'll eventually pass to their millennial offsprings when they die.

Re: Over 80% of 16 to 24-year-olds would vote to rejoin the EU

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kjksf wrote: post #120
breakyerself wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bingo. Just like wanting to leave the EU was self destructive cutting off immigration is as well. The US is in the process of trying to hobble its own economy right now.

Poland has almost zero immigration and is one of the fastest European economies. Do explain the miracle of Poland. What kind of economics work for Poland but couldn't possibly work for England. Do explain how 41 thousand unskilled young man landing in UK shores via small boats are good for economy. Majority of them do no work, not even the low skill jobs. They cost UK citizens a lot of money because UK gov took upon…

They do not work because they're forbidden by law. It's a criminal offence to give work to any of these unregulated migrants. They're also housed by the UK government because it's a criminal offence to rent or sell them a property. Also they are often housed in the criminally unsafe (yes, that's also a thing) conditions and sometimes fed the mouldy food.

Imagine complaining about that (audible eyeroll).

So you want the UK to stop feeding and housing them but I guess keeping the laws forbidding them from working and renting? Why don't you and your mates don't do something about that already? Oh I know, last time they tried some ended up in prison for trying to kill the immigrants.

Mugrants arriving by boats because increasingly unhinged and rightwing governments paid off by dark money linked to Kremlin (we remember the suppressed intelligence report on Russian interference in voting) cut the country from the EU and closed down ALL the legal routes of immigration. Arriving "illegally" is the only way for them to claim for asylum.

And the funny thing is, the vast majority of these applying for asylum get their claims approved because they genuinely qualify, it's that UK is not offering any legal routes to anyone except Ukrainians (white Christians, I bet that had no impact) and a very few Afghans (these pesky translators, working for our troops risking their life now have a gall to ask for help once we let the Taliban back).

Did you see the graph showing illegal migration numbers before and after the Brexit vote? I bet you wouldn't like that. Because previous UK could just hand them back to the French.

All in all this is a self inflicted wound on all levels.

With the additional cherry on top of the utter lie in your last sentence. Immigration is not a net drain. Immigrant taxpayers are a net GAIN, and a very significant one, while the British citizens are a net LOSS to the treasury.

If we deported all the Brits the country would be much better off

Re: Over 80% of 16 to 24-year-olds would vote to rejoin the EU

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netsharc wrote: post #134
kjksf wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First, they didn't have to. Crazy idea: educate more people, lower barriers to entry, hire people from poorer western countries and not Africa. Poland has hospitals staffed 100% by Polish people. What prevents UK from doing the same? Second, if immigration was only for skilled workers to plug shortages of certain skills, it would not be a problem. It's a problem because in 2025 estimated 41 thousand unskilled people,…

> UK gov for some unexplained reason decided that they are responsible for housing and feeding them. The money comes from taxing UK citizens. I see your winginess from your post. You're going to stop reading this because you'll find it disgusting, but hey I'll bother anyway: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/04/dina-nayeri-un... She wrote: > Civilised people don’t ask for resumes when answering calls from th…

Yeah, op is pretty unhinged.

Moaning about irregular migration but "forgetting" UK has no legal routes and can't reject them back or France since UK left the EU.

Moaning about UK hosting them (often in dangerous conditions) while forgetting they're forbidden from renting, and finally complaining about UK feeding them while pretending that giving them work is not an offence.

Right Reform kook. Or maybe from their Konfederation party seeing he seems to be from Poland.

Re: Over 80% of 16 to 24-year-olds would vote to rejoin the EU

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Post by sergiosgc »

sgt wrote: post #36
citrin_ru wrote: post #19

65+ is the only age group in which >50% still believe Brexit was a good choice.

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I'm Portuguese, so read this as a view from outside. Brexit traded rigid limits on national action for soft limits. It is bonkers, because the soft limits are much harsher!

Take, for example, trade policy. Facing trade tariffs from the US, Europe can call the bluff, the UK is way too small to have any cards on the negotiating table. It is much better to be in a huge economic block than to face the bully alone. On paper you have more formal power alone, in practice you have no power whatsoever on your own.

The absence of formal action limits can be deceitful. Limits are not only there anyhow, they are worse for you outside the economic block.

So, no, you won't be better in 20 years. In fact, given the direction the world is going, you'll be worse than even today.

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