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EU mandates replaceable batteries by 2027 (2023)

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Re: EU mandates replaceable batteries by 2027 (2023)

#131

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What do you mean exactly with censorship?

We punish people for saying the truth. In Germany we fined a man for calling a fat politician fat. Which she definitely is, morbidly so. Stuff like that.

Because insults can be fined. That is a German law though, not an EU thing.

Re: EU mandates replaceable batteries by 2027 (2023)

#133

The EU is displaying exactly the kind of political leadership we need in this topic: pro-consumer, pro-environment, and firmly against planned obsolescence. Removable batteries were the industry standard in the early days of mobile phones, and it worked perfectly. We only lost that standard when Apple’s 'walled garden' mindset infected the rest of the industry. The amount of avoidable e-waste generated since then is…

Removable batteries were standard in the early days of mobile phones (and laptops) out of necessity: batteries in those days just weren’t very good. They didn’t last long, took hours to charge, and wore out relatively quickly. You’d carry a spare battery around and swap over when your first one ran out. Now days, there is much less need for that because a charge lasts much longer, and if you do run low you can fast c…

> Now days, there is much less need for that because a charge lasts much longer, and if you do run low you can fast change in 30 minutes or so. Not buying extra spare batteries for every device means less e-waste, not more!

My current iPhone's battery capacity is already starting to decrease and it was never great to begin with (needed it for work). If it was replaceable, I'd do what I used to with Android phones years ago - get a spare, if the old one is really bad or turning into a pillow, then recycle that and keep using the replacement, otherwise could use both side by side and didn't even need a separate charging bank.

Lots of people will look in the direction of getting a new phone altogether, I might have to do that as well, turning the whole phone into e-waste, instead of giving it 5 more years of lifetime.

Re: EU mandates replaceable batteries by 2027 (2023)

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Lol why is it always such a predictable list of gripes

Yeah, quite predictable for someone to give actual examples when asked for examples.

If you have other examples, go on and share them!

Re: EU mandates replaceable batteries by 2027 (2023)

#135

The EU is displaying exactly the kind of political leadership we need in this topic: pro-consumer, pro-environment, and firmly against planned obsolescence. Removable batteries were the industry standard in the early days of mobile phones, and it worked perfectly. We only lost that standard when Apple’s 'walled garden' mindset infected the rest of the industry. The amount of avoidable e-waste generated since then is…

How do you make a phone with replaceable battery to also be water resistant?

Most diving computers have replaceable batteries. Same for waterproof quartz watches. Why do you think this is impossible for mobile phones?

Re: EU mandates replaceable batteries by 2027 (2023)

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post #131

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We punish people for saying the truth. In Germany we fined a man for calling a fat politician fat. Which she definitely is, morbidly so. Stuff like that.

Because insults can be fined. That is a German law though, not an EU thing.

A bigger issue than the fine (which Much didn't have to pay because he won in court) is that the police thought it was a swell idea to search his house.

The fine was wrong, too, and the amount (6000€!) was absurd.

https://brusselssignal.eu/2024/03/german-businessman-cleared...

She should have challenged him to a duel instead. That would have been a lot more fair than mobilizing the state to fight battles that should never have been fought AND it would have put the risk where it should have been, namely on her shoulders (and stomach and thighs) instead of on his.

Another insulcident happened in January 2024:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ricarda_Lang&oldi...

The German police thought it was within its rights to demand that a foreign social media platform hand over identifying information on a user that apparently called her "well-rounded" in a less polite manner.

I don't think the German police should search citizen's houses or demand identifying information about people who say things that aren't nice (but true).

Re: EU mandates replaceable batteries by 2027 (2023)

#137

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Lol why is it always such a predictable list of gripes

So I am not wrong but you don't like it?

If I were to tell you that the examples you selected depict you as a bigot how would you react?

Re: EU mandates replaceable batteries by 2027 (2023)

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I hate that kind of thing though when it would come to smaller batteries. This battery passport prevents the user from replacing their car battery themselves easily. Which is entirely in contradiction to this legislation's objective for smaller devices which aims at making self-service easier. But it also links devices to their battery meaning one can not be recycled apart from the other! It's already causing problem…

An electric car battery can give 400-800 volt. Enough to kill or cause serious burn damage, unless the time of exposure is really short. Over 500 Volt is classified in medicine as high voltage accident. Carelessly manipulating this batteries at home is not a smart idea.

Who says I'm careless?

And 400V is pretty standard in homes here too (though to be fair one individual phase is 240 but still..). If you have a heat pump or a sizeable electric stove you will already have 400V.

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