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Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by foxglacier »

datsci_est_2015 wrote: post #110
Manuel_D wrote: post #105

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What evidence to the contrary? 1% of the US population does commit over 60% of violent crime: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3969807/

That’s not what I’m disputing, of course. I’m disputing that the grandparent’s assertion that if we (by your stats) simply lock up 1% of the population that violent crime would drop by 60%. I mean, trivially, using our brains for a nanosecond, what if that 1% of the population is almost always 16-18 year olds when they commit those violent crimes. The 16-18 demographic is roughly 4% of the US population (Google). Tha…

There are two ideas here - locking up actual criminals and locking up people who happen to fit the pattern of a criminal even without committing any crime. You're arguing against the latter, but I don't think anybody was proposing that.

Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by xarope »

andwur wrote: post #97
terminalshort wrote: post #89

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This will never be a thing in America. Good luck putting the camera on a pole higher than a redneck can shoot a rifle.

Sounds like a new remit for the NRO. Park a billion dollar satellite over an area to keep an eye out for petty vandalism. Then the sheriffs office can team up with Space Force: papers will be served immediately by LEO MIRV deployment, which may also count as execution depending on visibility and aim on the day. /s - but it wouldn't surprise me at the rate things are going.

will you stop giving these folks ideas on how to spend more tax payers money?

/s (but not really)

Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by foxglacier »

odie5533 wrote: post #115
monero-xmr wrote: post #59

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The vast majority of crimes are committed by a small percentage of people. The real issue is prosecutors who refuse to incarcerate repeat offenders. But having video evidence is a powerful tool for a motivated prosecutor to actually take criminals off the streets

We spend $80 billion a year on incarceration in the US, and have the highest incarceration rate in the world. Your plan increases both. Do you honestly think that if we spend $160 billion or $240 billion a year and double or triple our incarcerated population that we'd solve crime? Look at places and countries with low crime. They don't have the most Flock cameras, the most prisoners, or the most powerful surveillanc…

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Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by co_king_5 »

culi wrote: post #118
monero-xmr wrote: post #59

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The vast majority of crimes are committed by a small percentage of people. The real issue is prosecutors who refuse to incarcerate repeat offenders. But having video evidence is a powerful tool for a motivated prosecutor to actually take criminals off the streets

It's wild that you think the problem with the US is too low of an incarceration rate. 25% of all prisoners in the world are in the US

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Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by co_king_5 »

beloch wrote: post #126
ghostclaw-cso wrote: post #55

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I personally wouldn't want police to have access to Flock's data unless they have a warrant to follow the movements of a specific individual. If private organizations and citizens had at-will access to this kind of data it would be worse than a panopticon. It'd be a prison where every inmate is under constant surveillance, not just by guards, but by other inmates. There would be criminals using this data to track dow…

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Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by defrost »

foxglacier wrote: post #133
odie5533 wrote: post #115

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We spend $80 billion a year on incarceration in the US, and have the highest incarceration rate in the world. Your plan increases both. Do you honestly think that if we spend $160 billion or $240 billion a year and double or triple our incarcerated population that we'd solve crime? Look at places and countries with low crime. They don't have the most Flock cameras, the most prisoners, or the most powerful surveillanc…

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> Can you name such a place with low crime, low incarceration rate, low surveillance, and importantly, low black population?

Andorra and Finland both meet your four criteria.

Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by kybernetyk »

mullingitover wrote: post #11

I'm surprised the flock cameras aren't being disabled in a more subtle fashion. All it takes is a tiny drone with a stick attached, and at the end of that stick is a tiny sponge soaked with tempera paint. Drone goes 'boop' on the camera lens, and the entire system is disabled until an expensive technician drives out with a ladder and cleans the lens at non-trivial expense. A handful of enterprising activists could bl…

>All it takes is a tiny drone with a stick attached, and at the end of that stick is a tiny sponge soaked with tempera paint.

This must be the most hi-tech solution to a low tech problem I've seen this week ;)

Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by odie5533 »

foxglacier wrote: post #133
odie5533 wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We spend $80 billion a year on incarceration in the US, and have the highest incarceration rate in the world. Your plan increases both. Do you honestly think that if we spend $160 billion or $240 billion a year and double or triple our incarcerated population that we'd solve crime? Look at places and countries with low crime. They don't have the most Flock cameras, the most prisoners, or the most powerful surveillanc…

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Iceland is one of the most peaceful countries in the world (murder rate 0.54), 36 incarcerations per 100k, police don't carry guns, and it's not known for its widespread mass surveillance system.

Portugal is one of the most peaceful in the world (murder rate 0.7), 118 incarcerations per 100k, and doesn't have license plate readers or mass surveillance.

USA murder rate is 6.3, 541 incarcerations per 100k, extremely high recidivism, and an amazing array of surveillance systems.

Portugal decriminalized all drugs in 2001. Guess they should have bought Flock cameras instead?

Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by bigiain »

stavros wrote: post #47
bigiain wrote: post #45

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Where I am (Sydney Australia) we have fixed speed cameras that automatically create speeding fines to drivers going too fast (well, technically the registered owner of the vehicle via ANPR). They eventually had to equip pretty much every speed camera with a speed camera camera, usually on a much higher pole to make vandalism more difficult.

Oof, I really hate this automated enforcement. Might be time to get a paintball gun.

Also here:

"In NSW, paintball is classified as a "prohibited firearm" under the Firearms Act 1996. However, it can still be legally played under strict licensing conditions. Unlike in some states where it is more loosely regulated, players and operators in NSW must comply with a range of legal requirements to ensure safety and legality."

These rules have changed, I think back before COVID they reclassified them as sporting equipment instead of firearms, but still brought in a whole bunch of licensing rules and requirements similar to gun ownership.

You can't just walk into KMart and walk out with a paintball gun here. |Or paintball markers.

Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

altairprime wrote: post #130
appplication wrote: post #83

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Tbh an overpowered laser off alibaba probably works a lot better at longer range

A paintball gun might not invoke the federal government to hunt you down; an over-powered laser absolutely will. The FAA has a very low tolerance for that sort of thing. Do not ever, ever, ever use lasers in open air that are capable of damaging the human retina without the appropriate licenses. The last thing cities need right now is another federal agency going on a witchhunt. Firing eye-damaging lasers into the ai…

The CCDs in cameras can be damaged with low-power lasers, or so I thought. No need for anything crazy. And the FAA won't become involved unless you're pointing them skyward. Pointing them across the street, or anywhere not visible from the air isn't going to sic federal agencies on you.
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