Now, how much did the AI companies pay for their data? In 99% of all cases nothing, on the contrary they caused huge spikes in bandwith and server costs.
As an industry weed need better AI blocking tools.
Want to play? You pay.
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#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can you elaborate on what big potatoes you're seeing? Genuinely asking. The Android app, for example, writes everything to the app's storage, and runs only when your phone is plugged-in and is connected to wifi. To me that generally means "when I'm sleeping". What's the big potato in this scenario?
Would you be willing to let me mail a package to your house, to hold for me? It would be placed in your house at night, while you're sleeping.
These are beautiful analogies, but I'd appreciate an answer my original question. Your package can explode, these torrents cannot (as far as I am aware). If you want to send me a CD to store at my house, feel free to email me.
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#133Earlier quoted context omitted.
I haven't heard about someone ever getting a letter for seeding books, but maybe I'm lucky. In any case, I'll add a notice to the README, thank you for the suggestion.
It would likely happen in Germany, unless you have a VPN. This has been a problem for years when torrenting films. Chasing people with fines has been a lucrative, automated business for years.
films are not books, though.
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#134> We are a non-profit project with two goals: > 1. Preservation: Backing up all knowledge and culture of humanity. > 2. Access: Making this knowledge and culture available to anyone in the world (including robots!). Setting aside the LLM topic for a second, I think the most impactful way to preserve these 2 goals is to create torrent magnets/hashes for each individual book/file in their collection. This way, any torr…
They should serve them all via IPFS if they haven't done it already
they have individual IPFS links but they don't work 100% of the times
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#135For those in countries that censor the Internet, such as the UK where I live, this page basically says what Anna's Archive is (very superficially), shares some useful URLs to accessing the data, asks for donations, and says an "enterprise-level donation" can get you access to a SFTP server with their files on it.
Stop using your ISP's DNS. Switch to a DNS provider that doesn't censor content.
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#136Earlier quoted context omitted.
DMCA letter sounds like small potatoes when we talk about letting random people write stuff to your disk space and using your bandwidth.
Can you elaborate on what big potatoes you're seeing? Genuinely asking. The Android app, for example, writes everything to the app's storage, and runs only when your phone is plugged-in and is connected to wifi. To me that generally means "when I'm sleeping". What's the big potato in this scenario?
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#137Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know. Should I care? Can you provably tell it from the data? Why authorship should have any bearing on what happens with it later?
You argued that gathering of data signals ownership of it. But I don’t know that reasonable people would agree that that’s about framing. If you’re going to argue data ownership at all, it seems to me the creator of the data is the owner, unless transfer ownership to another person or to the public domain. On the other hand, I can understand a stand that data can never be “owned”, but I don’t think you are saying tha…
> You argued that gathering of data signals ownership of it. But I don’t know that reasonable people would agree that that’s about framing.
First of, I am a very reasonable person so you already have one. Second of, even in our sick information economy, public data can be owned when gathered in a database by a third party. The company that created the database can sell access to it and go after people that re-publish the database. Even though it consists 100% of public and free data.
> If you’re going to argue data ownership at all, it seems to me the creator of the data is the owner, unless transfer ownership to another person or to the public domain.
If you go by what's natural, instead of by "please, institutionally protect my obsoleted business model", the creator has the sole ownership of the data until he transfers the data to someone else. If he made a copy and gave it to someone, now they both have the ownership. If he just gave away the data now there's a new single owner of the data. Then IP ownership would work just like ownership of every other actual thing in the universe.
> On the other hand, I can understand a stand that data can never be “owned”, but I don’t think you are saying that.
Oh, it definitely can be owned. I own all zeroes and ones on the computer that I own. Please don't steal them and don't tell me what I can do with them.
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#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
DMCA letter sounds like small potatoes when we talk about letting random people write stuff to your disk space and using your bandwidth.
Can you elaborate on what big potatoes you're seeing? Genuinely asking. The Android app, for example, writes everything to the app's storage, and runs only when your phone is plugged-in and is connected to wifi. To me that generally means "when I'm sleeping". What's the big potato in this scenario?
That is a hell of a lot of trust that people are putting in to download and upload unknown files.
The risks that you download and start spreading malware or worse CSAM. You really don’t want that sitting on your disk.
Admittedly the risks is lower if the list is coming from Annas Archive, but this is still putting a lot of trust in an external list.
Much better off doing this manually, finding the list of what you want to seed and vetting that list yourself.
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#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is. They gathered it. They stored it. They served it. That's how data should work and eventually will.
Genuine question on your perspective , I found and serve a picture of you and your wife having a meal that you once posted on myspace. Does that make it my data? If not why? What makes these 1s and 0s uniquely yours?
Yup. That's your data now. And also mine (if I have a backup) and also myspace's.
The fact that makes it your data is that you physically can share it with someone else.
At least that's the value system I live by and I believe should be in place for all because it perfectly reflects the reality of what happens with ones and zeroes.
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#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
Would you be willing to let me mail a package to your house, to hold for me? It would be placed in your house at night, while you're sleeping.
These are beautiful analogies, but I'd appreciate an answer my original question. Your package can explode, these torrents cannot (as far as I am aware). If you want to send me a CD to store at my house, feel free to email me.
If you end up torrenting very illegal or malicious content, who is responsible? Will it be you, the app creator?