Any insights (anecdotes) from those in Russia and willing to opine on whether the economy seems like its collapsing presently?
I am not in Russia, but I have friends in Russia and visit Russia once a year or so. From what I see there is no visible economy problems in Russia. Yes, there are some temporary issues in some areas, but generally it's resolved promptly. There is some decrease of real salary/price increase, but not that significant. Probably situation in EU is worse. It looks like economic block of Russian government is really profe…
Russia's economy has entered the death zone
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How do you think sanctions work? Economy is not powered by electricity, it took 4 years to crack down on their shadow fleet, God knows how many more escape hatches they have. China and India, and now US support them.
"China and India" this is the point exactly. BRICS is the largest economic union in the world. They don't need EU for anything therefore the sanctions are only self harming the Eurozone. This is the reality.
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> World War 2 was not won due to the economy. It was literally won due to the economy. The moment Germans failed to knock out Soviets and Japanese pulled Americans into the fight their days were numbered due to insane industrial base of the both countries. Soviet meat waves, industry + lend lease won Europe and US finished Japanese.
> meat waves sigh
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#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am not in Russia, but I have friends in Russia and visit Russia once a year or so. From what I see there is no visible economy problems in Russia. Yes, there are some temporary issues in some areas, but generally it's resolved promptly. There is some decrease of real salary/price increase, but not that significant. Probably situation in EU is worse. It looks like economic block of Russian government is really profe…
Situation in EU is worse than Russia? In what way?
Germany has 6.3%
Spain 9.9%
France 7.9%
All while having millions of foreigners/immigrants to support.
Re: Russia's economy has entered the death zone
#135Earlier quoted context omitted.
I am not in Russia, but I have friends in Russia and visit Russia once a year or so. From what I see there is no visible economy problems in Russia. Yes, there are some temporary issues in some areas, but generally it's resolved promptly. There is some decrease of real salary/price increase, but not that significant. Probably situation in EU is worse. It looks like economic block of Russian government is really profe…
Situation in EU is worse than Russia? In what way?
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> Even getting the currently occupied land back is mostly optional. That's only true in the short term. If Russia gets out of the war with Ukraine with territory gains, that only serves as incentive to start up again after Russia can regroup. After all, Putin's stated long-term goal is to take the entire country (among others) and restore the USSR. Of course, taking back the occupied land is also easier said than don…
> After all, Putin's stated long-term goal is to take the entire country (among others) and restore the USSR. This was never a stated goal.
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2025/6/27/putin-confirms-...
Re: Russia's economy has entered the death zone
#137I'm skeptical how close they are to a dramatic change.
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#138Déjà vu … Since Crimea Invasion Russia’s Economy Is On the Brink of Collapse" – CNN Business, December 2014. "The End of the Putin Era? Russia’s Economy Is Tanking" – Newsweek, December 2014. "Russia Heading for Economic 'Colossal Collapse'" – BBC News (quoting Alexei Kudrin), December 2014. "How the Oil Price Collapse Could Topple Putin" – The Guardian, 2015. "Russia’s Economy Is a Mess" – The Atlantic, February 201…
Do you keep a collection of these? What for?
Re: Russia's economy has entered the death zone
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Not that you aren't factually right with regards to all modern technology being funded thru MIC, but USSR/Russia had exactly the same kind of MIC and has miserably failed at converting it to something profitable in the past. No reason to expect anything different this time - it's probably even worse because every successful entrepreneur that wouldn't leave the country ends up in prison. That said, there isn't much of…
USSR vs 2026 Russia is apples and oranges. USSR: kicked their educated jews out (twice -- pogroms & doctors plot), kicked most of their educated gentiles out in 1917, used up their remaining human capital as cannon fodder against hitler. Everything USSR had was gifted from the west to keep the west's military-industrial grift running (see Antony Sutton's works for details). They were a boogeyman used by western elite…
> USSR: kicked their educated jews out (twice -- pogroms & doctors plot)
Sorry, that's not how it happen (source: my grandfather being a USSR Jew). Pogroms were before USSR (and were a huge factor in USSR becoming a thing) and before most Jews had access to upper education. The pre-WWII USSR was perhaps the most Jewish-friendly country in the world, or at least in Europe (however low of a bar it was at the time). After the purges and the war, with most of pre-revolution intellectual communists dead or worse and fresh-baked ex-peasant comrades now forming most of the bureaucracy, the pendulum came swinging back.
> kicked most of their educated gentiles out in 1917
Forced deportation was a few thousand cases, mostly humanitarians. Most of the educated gentiles left voluntary (showing their good judgement). And then emigration controls were put in place so the rest wouldn't leave - it's just 20's USSR weren't yet the totalitarian state it would latter become and had no machinery to prevent people from leaving.
> used up their remaining human capital as cannon fodder against hitler
Not like Stalin would not prefer to use cannon fodder elsewhere. It just wasn't an option at the time.
> Modern Russia is a gas station and strip mine with decent relations to the south and the east
That's what it was in the aughties. No more.
> Building up their defense sector
Russia already got damn nukes. That's the best defense against symmetric warfare the money can buy - and against asymmetric an inflated defense sector doesn't help much. Russia didn't built up defense sector because of any genuine or perceived threat, rather for the same reason USA does: it's a huge pork barrel.
> they don't get internationally looted again
Looted as in being sent food aid? (Well, truth to be told, this aid came with a heavy load of Mormon and Scientology cool-aid drinkers). The whole "90's looting" is tankies' legend. It was exactly the same kind of de-industrialization that happened in the West - except the social guards weren't in place and the state machine was totally collapsed. Which is certainly not a fault of any other nation.
> the right move for them, and an unfortunate reality for us.
The problem isn't "building up the defense sector". The problem is damn invading neighborhood country. Not only was it an asshole move, it was incredibly dumb because it leaves no good exit option. Even if the hostilities in Ukraine ends one way or another, the "new elite" aka bunch of goons with guns aren't going anywhere.
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Do you keep a collection of these? What for?
I'm actually in awe. I wish I had lists like these for other "hot-button" issues where the common narrative is that things are constantly on the brink of some kind of catastrophe or resolution. Really puts things into perspective.