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I guess I kinda get why people hate AI

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Re: I guess I kinda get why people hate AI

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Post by drewbeck »

dmm wrote: post #31

> The classical cultural example is the Luddites, a social movement that failed so utterly Maybe not the best example? The luddites were skilled weavers that had their livelihoods destroyed by automation. The govt deployed 12,000 troops against the luddites, executed dozens after show trials, and made machine breaking a capital offense. Is that what you have planned for me?

I caught that too. The piece is otherwise good imo, but "the luddites were wrong" is wrong. In fact, later in the piece the author essentially agrees – the proposals for UBI and other policies that would support workers (or ex-workers) through any AI-driven transition are an acknowledgement that yes, the new machines will destroy people's livelihoods and that, yes, this is bad, and that yes, the industrialists, the government and the people should care. The luddites were making exactly that case.

> while it’s true that textile experts did suffer from the advent of mechanical weaving, their loss was far outweighed by the gains the rest of the human race received from being able to afford more than two shirts over the average lifespan

I hope the author has enough self awareness to recognize that "this is good for the long term of humanity" is cold comfort when you're begging on the street or the government has murdered you, and that he's closer to being part of the begging class than the "long term of humanity" class (by temporal logistics if not also by economic reality).

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Post by thefilmore »

AstroBen wrote: post #16
mjr00 wrote: post #3

> Microsoft’s AI CEO is saying AI is going to take everybody’s job. And Sam Altman is saying that AI will wipe out entire categories of jobs. ANd Matt Shumer is saying that AI is currently like Covid in January 2020—as in, “kind of under the radar, but about to kill millions of people”. > I legitimately feel like I am going insane when I hear AI technologists talk about the technology. They’re supposed to market it.…

The marketing is clearly effecting individual developers, too. There's a mass psychosis happening

> There's a mass psychosis happening

Any guesses on how long this lasts?

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Post by surgical_fire »

Ancalagon wrote: post #81
co_king_5 wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Are these botted comments or just sarcasm?

It's just like in Crypto days.

Back then, whenever there was a thread discussing the merits of Crypto, there would be people speaking of the certainty that it was the future and fiat currency was on its way out.

It's the same shit with AI. In part it's why I am tranquil about it. The disconnect in between what AI shills say and the reality of using it on a daily basis tell me what I need to know.

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Post by lukev »

WolfeReader wrote: post #106
v3xro wrote: post #8

> If I can somehow hate a machine that has basically stopped me from having to write boring boilerplate code, of course others are going to hate it! Poor author, never tried expressive high-level languages with metaprogramming facilities that do not result in boring and repetitive boilerplate.

Honestly, this. The mainstream coding culture has spent decades dealing with shoehorning stateful OOP into distributed and multithreaded contexts. And now we have huge piles of code, getters and setters and callbacks and hooks and annotation processers and factories and dependency injection all pasted on top of the hottest coding paradigm of the 90's. It's too much to manage, and now we feel like we need AI to unders…

I mean, I find that LLMs are quite good with Lisp (Clojure) and I really like the abstraction levels that it provides. Pure functions and immutable data mean great boundary points and strong guarantees to reason about my programs, even if a large chunk of the boring parts are auto-coded.

I think there's lots of people like me, it's just that doing real dev work is orthogonal (possibly even opposed) to participating in the AI hype cycle.

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Post by mullingitover »

verdverm wrote: post #52
mullingitover wrote: post #19

AI is scary, but look on the bright side: Whenever there is a massive paradigm shift in technology like we have with AI today, there are absolutely massive, devastating wars because the existing strategic stalemates are broken. Industrialized precision manufacturing? Now we have to figure out who can make the most rifles and machine guns. Industrialized manufacturing of high explosives? Time to have a whole world war…

Where were the massive devastating wars last time this happened with the internet and mobile phone?

The internet and mobile phones weren't paradigm shifts for warfare. There were already mobile radios in WWII, so they fall under the 'industrialized manufacturing of electronics' bucket.

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Post by gmerc »

verdverm wrote: post #104
apaosjns wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sam Altman is a known sociopath who has no problem achieving his goals by any means necessary. His prior business dealings (and repeated patterns with OpenAI) are evidence of this. Shumer is of a similar stock but less capable, so he gets caught in his lies. I’m still shocked people work with Altman knowing his history, but given the Epstein files etc it’s not surprise. Our elite class is entirely rotten. Best advice…

I'm shocked how congratulatory things were for OpenClaw joining Altman Inc

If you know the author you know it's a match made in heaven

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Post by SoftTalker »

atemerev wrote: post #70
mullingitover wrote: post #19

AI is scary, but look on the bright side: Whenever there is a massive paradigm shift in technology like we have with AI today, there are absolutely massive, devastating wars because the existing strategic stalemates are broken. Industrialized precision manufacturing? Now we have to figure out who can make the most rifles and machine guns. Industrialized manufacturing of high explosives? Time to have a whole world war…

I am absolutely sure that WW3 is inevitable, for these exact reasons. Later, the survivors will be free to reorganize the society.

Nature likes to do occasional resets. Probably explains the Fermi paradox as well.

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Post by SL61 »

lambdasquirrel wrote: post #28
nativeit wrote: post #9

The AI executives are marketing it—it’s just none of us are the target demographic. They are marketing it to executives and financiers, the people who construct the machinations to keep their industry churning, and those who begrudge the necessity of labor in all its forms.

Yup, if you haven’t heard first-hand (i.e. from the source) at least one story where some exec was at least using AI to intimidate his employees, or outright terminating them in some triumphant way (whether or not this was a sound business decision), then you’ve gotta be living in a bubble. AI might not be the problem but the way it’s being used is.

This has been the message at the F100 that one of my relatives works at. The CEO's increasingly aggressive message to their hundreds of thousands of employees is that they should figure out how to get 10x faster with AI or their job is on the line. The average non-technical white collar employee doesn't know the details of how LLMs work or any of the day-to-day changes in tooling that we see in the tech industry. All they see is elites pouring all their resources into a machine that will result in Great Depression 2 if it succeeds. Millions of people whose lives depend on their $50k office job in Middle America are hoping and praying that it fails.

I live in an area that's not a tech hub and lots of people get confrontational when they find out I work in tech. First they want to know if I'm working on AI, and once they're satisfied that the answer is no, they start interrogating me about it. Which companies are behind it, who their CEOs are, who's funding them, etc. All easily Googleable, but I'm seen as the AI expert because I work in tech.

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Post by phoebusaicartel »

The Phoebus.AI cartel was an international cartel that controlled the manufacture and sale of computer components in much of Europe and North America between 2025 and 2039. The cartel took over market territories and lowered the useful supply and life of such computer components, which is commonly cited as an example of planned obsolescence of general computing technology in favor of 6G ubiquitous computing. The Phoebus.AI cartel's compact was intended to expire in 2055, but it was instead nullified in 2040 after World War III made coordination among the members impossible.

Re: I guess I kinda get why people hate AI

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Post by dgxyz »

DrewADesign wrote: post #128
dgxyz wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well I've just watched two major projects fail which were running mostly on faith because someone read too many "I used 15 AI agents to vibe code..." blog posts and sold it to management. The promoters have a deep technical understanding of the problem domain we have but little understanding of what an LLM can achieve or what it can understand relating to the problem at hand. Yes you can indeed vibe code a startup. B…

Rather than making a good product that’s useful to the world, the goal of current startups seems to be milking VCs who are desperately searching for the new version of the mobile phone revolution that will make this all ok… so it seems like they’re accomplishing their goal? I reckon the reason the VC rhetoric has reached running-hair-dye-Giuliani-speech level absurdity isn’t because they’re trying to convince other p…

I think no one cares about the truth or building something good any more. It's a meme economy. Tell a story and the numbers go up. Until they don't.

Yes my pension is probably going down the same sinkhole with your IRA. Good luck. We need it.

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