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Anthropic tries to hide Claude's AI actions. Devs hate it

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Re: Anthropic tries to hide Claude's AI actions. Devs hate it

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Post by throwaway314155 »

embedding-shape wrote: post #23
xg15 wrote: post #8

> Cherny responded to the feedback by making changes. "We have repurposed the existing verbose mode setting for this," he said, so that it "shows file paths for read/searches. Does not show full thinking, hook output, or subagent output (coming in tomorrow's release)." How to comply with a demand to show more information by showing less information.

Words have lost all meaning. "Verbose" no longer means "containing more words than necessary" but instead "Bit more than usual". "Fast" no longer mean "characterized by quick motion, operation, or effect" but instead depends on the company, some of them use slightly different way, but same "speed", but it's called "fast mode". It's just a whole new world where words suddenly mean something completely different, and y…

To be fair, some of the best software out there has multiple levels of verbosity. Usually enabled with extra ‘-v’ short options.

Re: Anthropic tries to hide Claude's AI actions. Devs hate it

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Post by thesz »

garciasn wrote: post #116
groundzeros2015 wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think programming effectiveness is inherently tied to the useful life of software, and we will need to see that play out. This is not to suggest that AI tools do not have value but that “I just have agents writing code and it works great!” Has yet to hit its test.

The views I see often shared here are typical of those in the trenches of the tech industry: conservative. I get it; I do. It's rapidly challenging the paradigm that we've setup over the years in a way that it's incredibly jarring, but this is going to be our new reality or you're going to be left behind in MOST industries; highly regulated industries are a different beast. So; instead of just out-of-hand dismissing…

  > It will accelerate the work and change your role from what it is today to something different;
We yet to see if different is good.

My short experience with LLM reviewing my code is that LLM's output is overly explanatory and it slows me down.

  > something that takes time and experience to work with.
So you invite us to participate in sunken cost fallacy.

Re: Anthropic tries to hide Claude's AI actions. Devs hate it

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Post by benterix »

garciasn wrote: post #116
groundzeros2015 wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think programming effectiveness is inherently tied to the useful life of software, and we will need to see that play out. This is not to suggest that AI tools do not have value but that “I just have agents writing code and it works great!” Has yet to hit its test.

The views I see often shared here are typical of those in the trenches of the tech industry: conservative. I get it; I do. It's rapidly challenging the paradigm that we've setup over the years in a way that it's incredibly jarring, but this is going to be our new reality or you're going to be left behind in MOST industries; highly regulated industries are a different beast. So; instead of just out-of-hand dismissing…

> I get it; I do. It's rapidly challenging the paradigm that we've setup over the years in a way that it's incredibly jarring,

But it's not the argument. The argument is that these tools provide lower-quality output and checking this output often takes more time than doing this work oneself. It's not that "we're conservative and afraid of changes", heck, you're talking to a crowd that used to celebrate a new JS framework every week!

There is a push to accept lower quality and to treat it as a new normal, and people who appreciate high-quality architecture and code express their concern.

Re: Anthropic tries to hide Claude's AI actions. Devs hate it

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Post by michaelcampbell »

epiccoleman wrote: post #48
skerit wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does Claude-Code do different that you still prefer it? I'm so in love with OpenCode, I just can't go back. It's such a nicer way of working. I even love the more advanced TUI

Are you paying per-token after Anthropic closed the loophole on letting you log in to OpenCode?

If one has a github sub, you can use OpenCode -> github -> \A models. It's not 100% (the context window I think is smaller, and they can be behind on the model version updates), but it's another way to get to \A models and not use CC.

Re: Anthropic tries to hide Claude's AI actions. Devs hate it

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Post by KurSix »

anonzzzies wrote: post #47

We have been playing with glm4.7 on cerebras which I hope to be the near future for any model; it generates 1000s of lines when you recover from a sneeze : it's absolutely irrelevant if you can see what it does because there is no way you can read it live (at 1000s of tokens/s) and you are not going to read it afterwards. Catching it before it does something weird is just silly; you won't be able to react. Works grea…

That holds up for code generation (where tokens fly by), but not for tool use. The agent often stalls between tool calls, and those are exactly the moments I need to see what it's planning, not just stare at a blank screen

Re: Anthropic tries to hide Claude's AI actions. Devs hate it

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Post by vardalab »

xg15 wrote: post #8

> Cherny responded to the feedback by making changes. "We have repurposed the existing verbose mode setting for this," he said, so that it "shows file paths for read/searches. Does not show full thinking, hook output, or subagent output (coming in tomorrow's release)." How to comply with a demand to show more information by showing less information.

Yeah but did he actually try to use the repurposed "verbose" mode? I did, and it's way more verbose than I need, but the regular mode now is basically like mute mode. In addition, recently it started running a lot of stuff in the background and that causes some crazy flicker and Claude has become stubbornly autonomous. It just runs stuff in a flyby mode, asks me a question and then waits a couple seconds and proceeds with a default choice while I am still reading and considering options. I am left mashing Esc and that sometimes does not stop stuff either. Last couple updates have really annoyed me tbh.

Re: Anthropic tries to hide Claude's AI actions. Devs hate it

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Post by data-ottawa »

nullbio wrote: post #111
jwr wrote: post #98

Anthropic is walking a very thin line here. The competition between models is intense and the only differentiator right now is the so-called harness that gets put over them. Anthropic needs a niche and they tried to find one by addressing developers. And they have been doing very well! What I think they are forgetting in this silly stubbornness is that competition is really fierce, and just as they have gained apprec…

Well they've successfully burned a bridge with me. I had 2 max subs, cancelled one of them and have been using Codex religiously for the last couple of weeks. Haven't had a need for Claude Code at all, and every time I open it I get annoyed at how slow it is and the lack of feedback - looking at it spin for 20 minutes on a simple prompt with no feedback is infuriating. Honestly, I don't miss it at all.

Check your model thinking effort.

You have to go into /models then use the left/right arrow keys to change it. It’s a horrible UI design and I had no idea mine was set to high. You can only tell by the dim text at the bottom and the 3 potentially highlighted bars.

On high It would think for 30+ minutes, make a plan, then when I started the plan it would either compact and reread all my files, or start fresh and read my files, then compact after 2-3 changes and reread the files.

High reasoning is unusable with Opus 4.6 in my opinion. They need at least 1M context for this to work.

Re: Anthropic tries to hide Claude's AI actions. Devs hate it

#139

Post by dandellion »

jonfw wrote: post #137

Keep cattle, not pets! The advice that used to apply for managing large numbers of machines also applies to managing coding agents. If you rely on monitoring the behaviors of an individual coding agent to produce the output you want, you won't scale

Are you one of those developers that hates debuggers and stack traces, and would rather spend three hours looking at the output or adding prints for something that would take 5 minutes to any sane developer?

Re: Anthropic tries to hide Claude's AI actions. Devs hate it

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Post by thesz »

adastra22 wrote: post #106
rco8786 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The corrective agent has the exact same percentage chance at making the mistake. "Correcting" an assumption that was previously correct into an incorrect one. If a singular agent has a 1% chance of making an incorrect assumption, then 10 agents have that same 1% chance in aggregate.

You are assuming statistical independence, which is explicitly not correct here. There is also an error in your analysis - what matters is whether they make the same wrong assumption. That is far less likely, and becomes exponentially unlikely with increasing trials. I can attest that it works well in practice, and my organization is already deploying this technique internally.

How several wrong assumptions make it right with increasing trials?
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