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Peter Thiel: 2,436 emails with Epstein from 2014 to 2019

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Re: Peter Thiel: 2,436 emails with Epstein from 2014 to 2019

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post #48

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Yet it is rather serious question - most people spent most of their time to sustain themselves. I think that it is pretty bad for democracy that political action is delegated to only those few that are able to gain sponsorship and don't need to work to eat. We do not need professional activists, quite the contrary.

> most people spent most of their time to sustain themselves Do they? Or do they get convinced by adverts that their lives won't be complete unless they spend more than they can afford on an endless stream of shiny promises? I've always found it very easy to put a huge fraction of my income to one side because all my hobbies are cheap or free. I've sometimes expressed surprise at how much other people buy, or spend r…

> Do they? Or do they get convinced by adverts that their lives won't be complete unless they spend more than they can afford on an endless stream of shiny promises?

> Meanwhile, I'm mostly content living off my €1k/month passive income

This means you have sufficient capital to sustain yourself this way, and probably a place to live with no rent or mortgage. This also means you had either a rich family or earned quite a lot in the past what allowed you to collect this capital. And lastly this means you don't have family to support.

Well, maybe everyone could decide to grind few years (though in my country the minimal wage is not much greater than your "passive income", so grind options are limited) and then decide to not have a family and don't buy a phone. We would then have a whole society of full-time political activists, but then there is a question why any action matters.

Your comment reeks of classism. "Oh, they really do not try enough. Just get up earlier and cancel your Netflix sub".

Re: Peter Thiel: 2,436 emails with Epstein from 2014 to 2019

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post #57

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Yeah, I'll tell my family we need to move to the mouldy 1 bedroom flat because a guy in the internet says so. That'll help with the mortgage bit; Also kids need to manage their expectations and instead of having active hobbies (that require some minimum hardware but lots of activities), they should try sculpting with clay instead. Especially that with the asthma they'll get from the black mould they'll be in no posit…

You're inventing a fictional narrative unrelated to anything I just said. Especially as this was in the context of how Greta Thunberg, who, to the best of my knowledge, has no kids of her own and thus doesn't need to also cover the cost of their hobbies or how to get them to school, and furthermore in the context of "how does she manage to be a full-time activist with no obvious means of support?" where such things a…

> Especially as this was in the context of how Greta Thunberg, who, to the best of my knowledge, has no kids of her own and thus doesn't need to also cover the cost of their hobbies or how to get them to school

And comes from the rich middle-class background. But let's ignore that, because all that matters is small financial discipline.

Re: Peter Thiel: 2,436 emails with Epstein from 2014 to 2019

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post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're inventing a fictional narrative unrelated to anything I just said. Especially as this was in the context of how Greta Thunberg, who, to the best of my knowledge, has no kids of her own and thus doesn't need to also cover the cost of their hobbies or how to get them to school, and furthermore in the context of "how does she manage to be a full-time activist with no obvious means of support?" where such things a…

> Especially as this was in the context of how Greta Thunberg, who, to the best of my knowledge, has no kids of her own and thus doesn't need to also cover the cost of their hobbies or how to get them to school And comes from the rich middle-class background. But let's ignore that, because all that matters is small financial discipline.

You are both ignoring what my actual point was, which was that some organized propagandist wants the discussion to be about Greta Thunberg's virtue or lack of it.

Re: Peter Thiel: 2,436 emails with Epstein from 2014 to 2019

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Sure they are, but Thiel is not one of them. Or rather, there's little reason to think the nutjob beliefs he presents to you are his sincerely held nutjob beliefs. You run into people sometimes, where you realize they're testing the waters constantly to figure out where they have you and what they can get away with.

Strong disagree, he's one of them, and he means it. The myth that these guys are 'really smart' should die, they're good at grifting, but they're not so smart they can't have nutjob beliefs and when they say what they think and it is negative believing them will not lead to a less true picture of the individual.

I never said he's really smart. I think he's a garden variety - well, I'd say psychopath, but maybe that's not the whole of it or even the central bit. I think he's one of the quite common people whose first and basically only need, is to always be in control of the situation, including knowing where he has other people. He's willing to lie about what he believes to get that control. He might say something off-the-wall (like bringing up the antichrist) because seeing how you respond to it is more valuable to him than appearing consistent or not-crazy. He probably thinks he can work with it however you respond.

People like this don't hold many sincere beliefs, they spend their time thinking about what they should present to you, not what they should actually believe.

Re: Peter Thiel: 2,436 emails with Epstein from 2014 to 2019

#135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure they are, but Thiel is not one of them. Or rather, there's little reason to think the nutjob beliefs he presents to you are his sincerely held nutjob beliefs. You run into people sometimes, where you realize they're testing the waters constantly to figure out where they have you and what they can get away with.

Nah, I've met him. He believes plenty of nutjob shit.

One thing we learned from the Epstein documents was that he was very good at controlling people's perception of him. It would be wrong, for instance, to think his derisive use of "goy" was reflective of real beliefs. He just found it useful to come across that way to some people. He took pride in "befriending" both Røed-Larsen (architect of the Oslo agreement, moderate on Israel) and Noam Chomsky (big Israel critic) at the same time he was shooting the shit with ethnic supremacists.

I assume Peter Thiel, and many similar people, are basically the same. If less competent at it. That you've met him doesn't mean you know his sincere beliefs - I think a good default assumption is that he doesn't have many, since sincere beliefs get in the way of getting the kind of power he has.

Re: Peter Thiel: 2,436 emails with Epstein from 2014 to 2019

#136
Just me, or are email like this quite suspicious, knowing what we do now:

    > Peter Thiel
    > to jeffrey E.
    > Sep 12, 2014 6:02 AM
    > 
    > 1
https://jmail.world/thread/EFTA02588512?view=person

Code? Can't just be a mistake, there's too many of them: https://jmail.world/search?q=1&from=pid%3Apeter-thiel

Re: Peter Thiel: 2,436 emails with Epstein from 2014 to 2019

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> most people spent most of their time to sustain themselves Do they? Or do they get convinced by adverts that their lives won't be complete unless they spend more than they can afford on an endless stream of shiny promises? I've always found it very easy to put a huge fraction of my income to one side because all my hobbies are cheap or free. I've sometimes expressed surprise at how much other people buy, or spend r…

> Do they? Or do they get convinced by adverts that their lives won't be complete unless they spend more than they can afford on an endless stream of shiny promises? > Meanwhile, I'm mostly content living off my €1k/month passive income This means you have sufficient capital to sustain yourself this way, and probably a place to live with no rent or mortgage. This also means you had either a rich family or earned quit…

> And lastly this means you don't have family to support.

Last I checked, neither does Greta Thunberg.

As she's the one whose lifestyle you find to be a "serious question", this feels like you're making an "arguments as soldiers" reaction here rather than taking the actual point that it is very possible to live cheaply if this is your goal in life.

> This means you have sufficient capital to sustain yourself this way,

Irrelevant. My income being €1k/month is what matters, not how I get it.

> and probably a place to live with no rent or mortgage. This also means you had either a rich family or earned quite a lot in the past what allowed you to collect this capital.

And in my example I wrote the other person saying "after my mortgage", for a reason.

That aside, it can also mean I live somewhere cheap: I've always been able to live this cheaply, even when I was renting. It's been a while since I was at university so double these numbers for inflation, but University halls were about £70/week at the time for the nice option; the cheap ones (which I was dumb enough to go for in the final year, do not recommend) were £40/week.

I was still paying rent through the pandemic. At every point in my life, when I have paid rent, it has always been low enough that a £1k/m or €1k/m income would have had enough left over for food and bills, yes including during the pandemic. That my income was often higher is of course how the savings I do have, happened.

At university, I made a game of the food options, which was in retrospect not actually sustainable, but what was sustainable last I checked (pandemic) was £1/day. I didn't spend all of my student loan (£3k/year but also that's only spent term-time and see previous point about inflation), even without part-time work at university.

Living cheaply is possible, if that is your goal.

> Well, maybe everyone could decide to grind few years (though in my country the minimal wage is not much greater than your "passive income", so grind options are limited)

She's Swedish, Sweden is in the EU, she clearly has a good gasp of English, so she has many minimum wages to choose from.

> and then decide to not have a family and don't buy a phone.

She's 23. And now you seem to be saying that people shouldn't be free to choose to not have families before turning 23.

Also, there's a big gap between "don't buy a phone" and "spend £50/month on the contract".

> We would then have a whole society of full-time political activists, but then there is a question why any action matters.

I could say this about 100% of professions. Even if we were all farmers, or all poets, or all software developers, or all soldiers. And, of course, politicians, who are, you know, paid to do politics full-time. Or worse, lobbyists, who are what you imagine Greta Thunberg to be, except they wear suits and don't hitch lifts and do get paid enough to support a family.

It's called "division of labour".

> "Oh, they really do not try enough. Just get up earlier and cancel your Netflix sub".

My Netflix example was simply one item on a long, long list. Hence the bit where I wrote about the example person, "spend £2500/month after my mortgage". Because that was what he spent, after his mortgage, every month. On himself. With no family.

This was a real person who made regular trips to France in a huge Lexus and drove without regard to fuel efficiency or indeed the speed limit. They couldn't imagine not spending all the money they spent, having all of the things all of the time. They were also single, living alone in, if I remember correctly, a 5-bed house they owned. They could not even imagine earning less than £60k in c. 2010, when the median UK wages were less than half that (and full-time minimum wages were about £12k) and unlike him those lower wages everyone else had often did support a family.

Overall, a lifestyle such as the visible parts of Greta Thunberg's (I have no idea what her hobbies are, naturally) can be sustained by part-time minimum-wage work.

If her goals in life are to be what she appears to be, that's not expensive, it's about knowing people who let you bunk on a sailing boat for a fortnight; and not a fancy one either, the kind small enough that, to quote: "the Malizia II has no toilet, fixed shower, cooking facilities or proper beds".

If you're complaining that people shouldn't be free decide not to be parents by 23, that people shouldn't be free decide to spend two weeks at a time in those conditions for what they believe in, because *you* prefer to raise a family and find such conditions appalling, that's your mistake, not a "serious question" about her.

Honestly? Your inability to imagine that Greta Thunberg's lifestyle could be anything other than a "serious question" sounds very much like the thought process I saw in my example of Mr. speeding-Lexus-lives-alone-in-5-bed-house, though obviously his specific details were different, he couldn't imagine anyone choosing to have kids for one.

Re: Peter Thiel: 2,436 emails with Epstein from 2014 to 2019

#138

Seems the Antichrist is way closer to him than he thinks. /s (but not much)

That "antichrist" lecture was an attempt at a reverse Streisand effect - there was a meme that Thiel was the antichrist, but now if you google "peter thiel antichrist" all you're going to see is that lecture. Pretty clever but to be clear he is an incredibly dodgy human being

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Re: Peter Thiel: 2,436 emails with Epstein from 2014 to 2019

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It takes a certain personality to continue hoarding wealth even when you know that it comes from exploiting others. The reason why they can't just not do demonstrably evil things is that they have relied on doing evil things to get to where they are. The kind of person that thinks "I've got more than enough money, I might as well use it to help others" doesn't get to be a billionaire.

Exactly. The wife too, "If I were a billionaire…" I have to stop her right there. I stop myself there too. Neither one of us could, in any iteration of life, become billionaires. (There's a time-travel story for someone. Like the movie Primer but with one person who round-trips through time—placing stock bets and other investments in order to become wealthy. When they screw up an investment they get a do-over. Life a…

I recently watched a Korean sci-fi series based on time travel - Sisyphus, The Myth (or Sijipeuseu: The Myth as titled in IMDB) that has one character being sent back in time and proceeds to deliberately amass power and wealth.

They have a police/military force whose job is to locate and hunt down time travellers from the future as they can be so disruptive to the economy etc and there's lots of people wanting to travel back from the future due to it being a dystopia.

Re: Peter Thiel: 2,436 emails with Epstein from 2014 to 2019

#140
post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're inventing a fictional narrative unrelated to anything I just said. Especially as this was in the context of how Greta Thunberg, who, to the best of my knowledge, has no kids of her own and thus doesn't need to also cover the cost of their hobbies or how to get them to school, and furthermore in the context of "how does she manage to be a full-time activist with no obvious means of support?" where such things a…

> Especially as this was in the context of how Greta Thunberg, who, to the best of my knowledge, has no kids of her own and thus doesn't need to also cover the cost of their hobbies or how to get them to school And comes from the rich middle-class background. But let's ignore that, because all that matters is small financial discipline.

> And comes from the rich middle-class background. But let's ignore that, because all that matters is small financial discipline.

I didn't say to ignore it.

I said it's possible to live cheaply.

Vimes' Boots isn't nothing.

You said this was a "serious question"; but do you now recognise that a simple observation of "oh look, she's from a rich middle-class family" (a fairly large group) means it is not?

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