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You can't trust the internet anymore

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Re: You can't trust the internet anymore

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It is the failure mode of incorrect trust that has changed. Previously you might get burned with some bad information or incorrect data or get taken in by a clever hoax once in a while. Now you get overwhelmed by regurgitation, which itself gets fed back into the machine. The ratio of people to bots reading is crashed to near zero. We have burned the web.

It corrupts future AI models too, so we might be holding onto today's models for a long time, as a least biased version as a checksum.

Re: You can't trust the internet anymore

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post #9

Signal to noise ratio is getting *lower (EDIT: was higher) than ever. I don't see a way out of this other than "human certified" digitally signed authorship (e.g. by using eIDAS in EU). There could be a proxy to at least retain pseudo-anonymity, but trackable to a human. Tragedy of commons strikes again.

Trees of trust, self-organizing as closer nodes to your agents are trusted more.

Re: You can't trust the internet anymore

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post #12

Tangentially related, I have a hunch, but cannot prove, that prediction markets are the driving force behind a lot of the bad information online, since they essentially monetarily incentivize making people misjudge the state of the world. There's been a huge uptick in this sort of brigade like behavior around current events. First noted it around LK99, that failed room temperature semiconductor in 2023, but it just k…

Interesting theory. I'm inclined to disagree, however. Prediction markets essentially allows people to trade information for money, even the types historically more difficult to trade. There aren't enough people betting on things for deliberate misinformation to become worthwhile, IMO, and most people would stop betting after being in the wrong too often, unlike casinos which always let you win sometimes. I believe t…

I agree that the payoff from prediction markets doesn't seem worth it for this kind of manipulation. Collectively they hold a lot of money but I'm not sure how much individuals or groups are making. That story of someone making half a million recently was an outlier rather than norm, as far as I know.

But, what if prediction markets are just used for information gathering, but the real money is made from market manipulation via prediction markets? I'm sure a lot of investment groups watch prediction markets very carefully, if they can manipulate the predictions, or be manipulated by them, the money to be made is big enough for any level of effort to be believable.

Re: You can't trust the internet anymore

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Tangentially related, I have a hunch, but cannot prove, that prediction markets are the driving force behind a lot of the bad information online, since they essentially monetarily incentivize making people misjudge the state of the world. There's been a huge uptick in this sort of brigade like behavior around current events. First noted it around LK99, that failed room temperature semiconductor in 2023, but it just k…

> semiconductor

Superconductor

Re: You can't trust the internet anymore

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post #16

This is why my friends and I are setting up a mesh network in our town. The open internet has been going downhill for a while, but LLMs are absolutely accelerating it's demise. I was in denial for the last few years but at this point I've accepted that the internet I grew up on as a kid in the late 90s to mid 2000s is dead. I am grateful for having experienced it but the time has come to move on. The future for peopl…

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Re: You can't trust the internet anymore

#137

Tangentially related, I have a hunch, but cannot prove, that prediction markets are the driving force behind a lot of the bad information online, since they essentially monetarily incentivize making people misjudge the state of the world. There's been a huge uptick in this sort of brigade like behavior around current events. First noted it around LK99, that failed room temperature semiconductor in 2023, but it just k…

How do you misjudge the world based on web articles? If you don't have proper foundations where to source your information from you are already doomed.

Re: You can't trust the internet anymore

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post #16

This is why my friends and I are setting up a mesh network in our town. The open internet has been going downhill for a while, but LLMs are absolutely accelerating it's demise. I was in denial for the last few years but at this point I've accepted that the internet I grew up on as a kid in the late 90s to mid 2000s is dead. I am grateful for having experienced it but the time has come to move on. The future for peopl…

Reminds me of a project idea I had. You'd get a little Raspberry Pi style board with BTLE and battery power (ideally lasting for weeks at a time) and covertly stick it in some communal location, e.g. a cafe or library. Then you'd have it run some local-only forum software and disseminate instructions for connecting to it. The point would be to have a digital community accessible only by direct connection and bound to a physical location by design, kind of in the vein of Community Memory.

It's probably too impractical to work as described, but I think that having a digital space constrained by physical access would be meaningful in a way that internet communities are not. The people you chat with would necessarily be the people in your physical environment, which would make it feel more like a local hangout than the typically vapid social media exchange.

(On further reflection, it would probably be easier to make a mesh network app version of this. Hmm...)

Re: You can't trust the internet anymore

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I "got online" in 1985. I don't recall a single point in time that a geographically local internet was ever useful or of interest to me.

Bbs. Downloaded first shareware version of doom. Was it 4mb or something? I remember I had like 5kb/s and paid 5 cents a minute. My parents weren't happy those days. Now they are :)

Doom Shareware was originally just 2mb or so, enough to fit on two floppies: https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Shareware

Re: You can't trust the internet anymore

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I've been hitting this a lot lately in Kagi. I'll search for instructions on how to do a thing and some random website will have nothing but _hard_ AI slop going off about the thing I was looking up.

It must be easier than ever to build content mills these days.

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