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Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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Re: Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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Post by srcreigh »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #104
srcreigh wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Care to elaborate?

As an American, I can freely oppose the current regime. I routinely say, both online and in real life under my government name, that Donald Trump and his cronies are criminals, that everyone should work hard to stop them from achieving their goals and ideally they should all get life sentences once we throw them out of office. I’ll never face legal or even professional consequences for saying this, and even within th…

The US regime allows its citizens to criticize politicians. That doesn't mean you are free to criticize those in power.

Re: Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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Post by mindslight »

throwawaypath wrote: post #90
sys32768 wrote: post #9

The Censorship-Industrial Complex is troubling no matter which party benefits.

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So in the context of this topic about current events, let's ignore the extremists who aren't in power right now, avoiding the temptation to feel better from bashing an easy straw man. Then we can better focus on the extremists who are in power right now, driving and advancing censorship as we speak. Right?

Re: Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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Post by mindslight »

dctoedt wrote: post #128
RickJWagner wrote: post #115

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> nobody has been killed that wasn’t carrying a gun with extra ammo or striking cops with their vehicle. The video evidence shows beyond peradventure that Renee Good didn't strike the ICE agent — who isn't a cop — with her vehicle. EDIT: See the NY Times's frame-by-frame, time-synchronized compilation of the various videos [0], especially starting at about 3:42 in that video [1]. The agent wasn't hit by Good's vehicl…

> The video evidence shows beyond peradventure that Renee Good didn't strike an ICE agent

Let's not get caught up arguing about the play-by-play details. There will always be rabid disagreement regardless of merit, causing us to miss the crux of the matter. The important big-picture dynamic is that the agent set up the situation so he'd have an excuse to kill the next person who tried to drive away from him, directly contrary to ICE's own policies. That would be second degree murder, if the perp weren't a member of a protected class.

Re: Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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Post by CamperBob2 »

imperio59 wrote: post #102
sys32768 wrote: post #9

The Censorship-Industrial Complex is troubling no matter which party benefits.

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Yes. During COVID so many opinions were censored, including the medical opinion of actual Medical doctors and experts, if it did not fit the "accepted narrative".

There was no "accepted narrative," as the public health sector was forced to deal with the rapid spread of a novel virus. Ultimately, a million Americans died prematurely from that virus.

Your side advocated the use of horse dewormer and bleach. So, when the rest of us told you to pipe down, that could be considered an immune response in itself. Nothing personal, you understand.

Re: Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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Post by simianparrot »

dctoedt wrote: post #128
RickJWagner wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> nobody has been killed that wasn’t carrying a gun with extra ammo or striking cops with their vehicle. The video evidence shows beyond peradventure that Renee Good didn't strike the ICE agent — who isn't a cop — with her vehicle. EDIT: See the NY Times's frame-by-frame, time-synchronized compilation of the various videos [0], especially starting at about 3:42 in that video [1]. The agent wasn't hit by Good's vehicl…

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Re: Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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Post by CamperBob2 »

srcreigh wrote: post #131
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an American, I can freely oppose the current regime. I routinely say, both online and in real life under my government name, that Donald Trump and his cronies are criminals, that everyone should work hard to stop them from achieving their goals and ideally they should all get life sentences once we throw them out of office. I’ll never face legal or even professional consequences for saying this, and even within th…

The US regime allows its citizens to criticize politicians. That doesn't mean you are free to criticize those in power.

Yes, actually, it means just that.

Re: Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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Post by autoexec »

gruez wrote: post #96
bigyabai wrote: post #84

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> Forcing companies to add backdoors in secret is We have precedent: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/12/apple-admits-to-... Apple has since confirmed in a statement provided to Ars that the US federal government “prohibited” the company “from sharing any information,”

"secretly sharing notification data" (ie. asking for records kept in the usual course of business[1]) is not the same as "forcing companies to add backdoors in secret" [1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/1732

I think it's safe to assume that there's a Room 641A (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A) at every major US company that deals in communications. That said, there's no reason to think that ICE or local law enforcement get access to the data being collected. iCloud may be completely backdoored either way, but there's a big difference between the NSA and ICE in terms of what they care about going after and what capabilities they want publicly confirmed.

Re: Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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Post by api »

embedding-shape wrote: post #72
api wrote: post #24

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Depends on who you mean. Some of them are nodding and smiling while they count the days until Trump dies. Some of them are “pilled” and totally on board.

And ultimately the consequences of both group is the same. The only way to get rid of fascism is to fight against it, there is no "neutral" position possible unfortunately.

I agree. I’m just saying that public companies have less power against the state than you think they do.

Re: Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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Post by yoyohello13 »

embedding-shape wrote: post #127
yoyohello13 wrote: post #120

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Survive was probably too strong a word. But I stand by my point that, right now, business success is closely tied to how much Trump likes you.

> business success is closely tied to how much Trump likes you And I'd still make the same point I've done so many times before; sometimes maybe there are more important things than "business makes much money so I make much money".

Yes 100%! I’m not saying I condone or agree with what’s happening. Just pointing out the reality.

Re: Platforms bend over backward to help DHS censor ICE critics, advocates say

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Post by dctoedt »

simianparrot wrote: post #135
dctoedt wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> nobody has been killed that wasn’t carrying a gun with extra ammo or striking cops with their vehicle. The video evidence shows beyond peradventure that Renee Good didn't strike the ICE agent — who isn't a cop — with her vehicle. EDIT: See the NY Times's frame-by-frame, time-synchronized compilation of the various videos [0], especially starting at about 3:42 in that video [1]. The agent wasn't hit by Good's vehicl…

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See my edited comment, with a link to the NY Times's frame-by-frame, time-synced compilation of various video angles. She didn't run over him or even hit him.
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