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Homeland Security Wants Social Media Sites to Expose Anti-ICE Accounts

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Re: Homeland Security Wants Social Media Sites to Expose Anti-ICE Accounts

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Post by AngryNPC »

zaptheimpaler wrote: post #116
AngryNPC wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This guy gets it, and isn't falling for the distractions. Also, what is going on with this thread? Everyone here sounds like they're from Reddit, which has one of the most hysterical and heavily-propagandized userbases in existence. One person here even said that Reddit is "free from MAGA influences". Like lol, Reddit is nothing but bot accounts and activist moderators who will insta-ban you for wrong-think. The whol…

HN has taken a very sharp turn over the past 2-3 years. Putting aside politics, they are reflexively cynical, misinformed and confident in their ignorance even about technology. Missing the boat on AI as well for years as its evolved from cool chatbot that hallucinates to can write serious code with few errors and solve unsolved research problems with some assistance.

It's the smugness and complete lack of curiosity that gets me, which I am seeing even in this thread.

Any idea why the culture's been shifting here? I've always loved the deep & insightful back-and-fourths we've had on HN, but now a lot of that nuance is lost, and it's mostly just kneejerk reactions ("thing is the way it is because GREED, simple as that") and the endless nit-picking of unimportant details.

Re: Homeland Security Wants Social Media Sites to Expose Anti-ICE Accounts

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Post by Terr_ »

charcircuit wrote: post #129
Gud wrote: post #120

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No they aren’t.

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Ah, you must not be American. At least over here--the subject of the news post--that belief would be considered pro-dictatorship nonsense.

The US Federal government has different branches, and only certain branches have certain powers. This is widely known because we teach this to US children before they are 14 years old, sometimes aided by literal cartoons.

These "warrants" are not at all equivalent, the same way that a President cannot dream up and declare a "law" (even if he calls it that) because only Congress may make those.

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Post by Alupis »

zaptheimpaler wrote: post #96
Alupis wrote: post #66

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You're interpreting that email to mean they've killed thousands of one year old babies? Or perhaps it was a joke about a party that had a bunch of babies at it... I dare say, you're so deep down the conspiracy rabbit hole you don't know which way is up.

I said thousands of victims, not thousands of babies or murders. That much is confirmed even by the FBI. https://www.justice.gov/opa/media/1407001/dl?inline#:~:text=... Some of these claims don't have bulletproof video evidence and DNA, and i suspect you would call those fake too even if they did but they are not unbelievable when considered in the context of everything that's been shown. I can't do that for you. Any…

Here's a quote from your original comment:

> murder of hundreds or thousands of girls and 1 year old babies

Re: Homeland Security Wants Social Media Sites to Expose Anti-ICE Accounts

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Post by metabagel »

KnuthIsGod wrote: post #6

How long before they come for Hacker News ? Folks, it is now time to delete anything you posted here that might be construed as remotely critical of ICE or Trump. A court order will not help you if ICE have already shot you dead.

ICE and CBP are building a lot of concentration camps. Clearly, they are planning to fill them.

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Post by rayiner »

Herring wrote: post #128
rayiner wrote: post #98

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The idea that there's been meaningful austerity isn't borne out by the data: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/social-spending-oecd-long... . There was a dip after the financial crisis and a blip that returned to normal after COVID. But Germany, Italy, and the UK all spend a slightly greater share of their GDP on social welfare now than they did in 2000. And while the U.S. has less social spending overall, the trend…

That graph is really deceptive. Eg the Greece curve is going up (!!), which can make you think there was no austerity. Probably the GDP in the denominator shrunk faster than the govt could cut pensions.

No, real GDP (inflation adjusted) grew considerably in Germany and the U.K. over that time, and was stable in Italy: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=1RMz0.

All three countries spend a slightly greater share of an overall larger economy on social welfare than they did in 2000.

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Post by [deleted] »

charcircuit wrote: post #115
softwaredoug wrote: post #68

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One difference, this was in response to an actual search warrant granted by a judge. What DHS is doing are administrative warrants, with no judicial overview (unless you sue to stop them).

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Post by cindyllm »

AngryNPC wrote: post #131
zaptheimpaler wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN has taken a very sharp turn over the past 2-3 years. Putting aside politics, they are reflexively cynical, misinformed and confident in their ignorance even about technology. Missing the boat on AI as well for years as its evolved from cool chatbot that hallucinates to can write serious code with few errors and solve unsolved research problems with some assistance.

It's the smugness and complete lack of curiosity that gets me, which I am seeing even in this thread. Any idea why the culture's been shifting here? I've always loved the deep & insightful back-and-fourths we've had on HN, but now a lot of that nuance is lost, and it's mostly just kneejerk reactions ("thing is the way it is because GREED, simple as that") and the endless nit-picking of unimportant details.

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Re: Homeland Security Wants Social Media Sites to Expose Anti-ICE Accounts

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Post by rayiner »

chomp wrote: post #135
charcircuit wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I think you’re confused on the difference between these, and what an administrative warrant is in particular.

Trying to draw a distinction between the secret FISA court and administrative warrants from DHS is shaving the baloney a little thin.
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