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Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by StopDisinfo910 »

account42 wrote: post #124
StopDisinfo910 wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where is this mythical social contract found? I stand by my point: it's a software license, not a marriage. Free users certainly would like it to be a social contract like I would like to be gifted a million dollars. Sadly, I still have to work and can't infinitely rely on the generosity of others.

Where is the contract to return the shopping cart to the corral?

Your analogy doesn't make sense. You are getting benefits from using the shopping cart and you bring back as it's expected as part of the exchange. You bring the cart back to where you took which is a low effort commitment entirely proportional to what you got from it.

Free software developers are gifting you something. Expecting indefinite free work is not mutual respect. That's entitlement.

The common is still there. You have the code. Open source is not a perpetual service agreement. It is not indentured servitude to the community.

Stop trying to guilt trip people into giving you free work.

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by yread »

jbstack wrote: post #27
muragekibicho wrote: post #18

I ran a moderately large opensource service and my chronic back pain was cured the day I stopped maintaining the project. Working for free is not fun. Having a paid offering with a free community version is not fun. Ultimately, dealing with people who don't pay for your product is not fun. I learnt this the hard way and I guess the MinIO team learnt this as well.

There's nothing wrong at all with charging for your product. What I do take issue with, however, is convincing everyone that your product is FOSS, waiting until people undertake a lot of work to integrate your product into their infrastructure, and then doing a bait-and-switch. Just be honest since the start that your product will eventually abandon its FOSS licence. Then people can make an informed decision. Or, if…

Easy. If you see open source software maintained by a company, assume they will make it closed source or enshittify the free version. If it's maintained by an individual assume he will get bored with it. Plan accordingly. It may not happen and then you'll be pleasantly surprised

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by kklimonda »

mattbee wrote: post #125

This has been on the cards for at least a year, with the increasingly doomy commits noted by HN. Unfortunately I don't know of any other open projects that can obviously scale to the same degree. I built up around 100PiB of storage under minio with a former employer. It's very robust in the face of drive & server failure, is simple to manage on bare hardware with ansible. We got 180Gbps sustained writes out of it, wi…

Ceph can scale to pretty large numbers for both storage, writes and reads. I was running 60PB+ cluster few years back and it was still growing when I left the company.

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by antongribok »

mickael-kerjean wrote: post #80
havnagiggle wrote: post #76

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I was looking at running [versitygw]( https://github.com/versity/versitygw ) but filestash looks pretty sweet! Any chance you're familiar with Versity and how the S3 proxy may differ?

I did a project with Monash university who were using Versity on their storage to handle multi tiers storage on their 12PB cluster, with glacier like capabilities on tape storage with a robot picking up data on their tape backup and a hot storage tier for better access performance, lifecycle rules to move data from hot storage to cold, etc.... The underlying storage was all Versity and they had Filestash working on t…

Monash University is also a Ceph Foundation member.

They've been active in the Ceph community for a long time.

I don't know any specifics, but I'm pretty sure their Ceph installation is pretty big and used to support critical data.

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by oblio »

pabs3 wrote: post #102
apexalpha wrote: post #25

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I guess we need a new type of Open Source license. One that is very permissive except if you are a company with a much larger revenue than the company funding the open source project, then you have to pay. While I loath the moves to closed source you also can't fault them the hyperscalers just outcompete them with their own software.

The hyperscalers will just rewrite your stuff from scratch if its popular enough, especially now with AI coding.

1. Completely giving up is worse.

2. You're forgetting bureaucracy and general big company overhead. Hyperscalers have tried to kill a lot of smaller external stuff and frequently they end up their own chat apps, instead.

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by dangus »

StopDisinfo910 wrote: post #48
jbstack wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's nothing wrong at all with charging for your product. What I do take issue with, however, is convincing everyone that your product is FOSS, waiting until people undertake a lot of work to integrate your product into their infrastructure, and then doing a bait-and-switch. Just be honest since the start that your product will eventually abandon its FOSS licence. Then people can make an informed decision. Or, if…

> then doing a bait-and-switch FOSS is not a moral contract. People working for free owe nothing to no one. You got what's on the tin - the code is as open source once they stop as when they started. The underlying assumption of your message is that you are somehow entitled to their continued labour which is absolutely not the case.

This isn’t about people working for free.

Nobody sensible is upset when a true FOSS “working for free” person hangs up their boots and calls it quits.

The issue here is that these are commercial products that abuse the FOSS ideals to run a bait and switch.

They look like they are open source in their growth phase then they rug pull when people start to depend on their underlying technology.

The company still exists and still makes money, but they stopped supporting their open source variant to try and push more people to pay, or they changed licenses to be more restrictive.

It has happened over and over, just look at Progress Chef, MongoDB, ElasticSearch, Redis, Terraform, etc.

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by Someone »

jbstack wrote: post #27
muragekibicho wrote: post #18

I ran a moderately large opensource service and my chronic back pain was cured the day I stopped maintaining the project. Working for free is not fun. Having a paid offering with a free community version is not fun. Ultimately, dealing with people who don't pay for your product is not fun. I learnt this the hard way and I guess the MinIO team learnt this as well.

There's nothing wrong at all with charging for your product. What I do take issue with, however, is convincing everyone that your product is FOSS, waiting until people undertake a lot of work to integrate your product into their infrastructure, and then doing a bait-and-switch. Just be honest since the start that your product will eventually abandon its FOSS licence. Then people can make an informed decision. Or, if…

> What I do take issue with, however, is convincing everyone that your product is FOSS, waiting until people undertake a lot of work to integrate your product into their infrastructure, and then doing a bait-and-switch.

But FOSS means “this particular set of source files is free to use and modify”. It doesn’t include “and we will forever keep developing and maintaining it forever for free”.

It’s only different if people, in addition to the FOSS license, promise any further updates will be under the same license and then change course.

And yes, there is a gray area where such a promise is sort-of implied, but even then, what do you prefer, the developers abandoning the project, or at least having the option of a paid-for version?

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by oblio »

igsomething wrote: post #45
apexalpha wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess we need a new type of Open Source license. One that is very permissive except if you are a company with a much larger revenue than the company funding the open source project, then you have to pay. While I loath the moves to closed source you also can't fault them the hyperscalers just outcompete them with their own software.

Server Side Public License? Since it demands any company offering the project as a paid product/service to also open source the related infrastructure, the bigger companies end up creating a maintained fork with a more permissive license. See ElasticSearch -> OpenSearch, Redis -> Valkey

Inflicting pain is most likely worth it in the long run. Those internal projects now have to fight for budget and visibility and some won't make it past 2-5 years.

Re: MinIO repository is no longer maintained

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Post by courtcircuits »

egorfine wrote: post #97
courtcircuits wrote: post #8

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From my experience, Garage is the best replacement to replace MinIO *in a dev environment*. It provides a pretty good CLI that makes automatic setup easier than MinIO. However in a production environment, I guess Ceph is still the best because of how prominent it is.

Garage doesn't support CORS which makes it impossible to use for development for scenarios where web site visitors PUT files to pre-signed URLs.

Yep I know, I had to build a proxy for s3 which supports custom pre-signed URLs. In my case it was worth it because my team needs to verify uploaded content for security reasons. But for most cases I guess that you can't really bother deploying a proxy just for CORS.

https:/github.com/beep-industries/content

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